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Mkemkay

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B1G commish states that the playoff should only have 4 conference champs. While this isn't official word from on high, it's still out in the public now.

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That sound you hear is some ND folks collectively freaking out.
 
It should be the sound of us being worried as well. Let's see. Four conferences... Big 10 (+2), SEC, Big 12 (-2), Pac 10(or 12 or 16 or whatever)... ACC.... Hmm...
 
Mkemkay said:
B1G commish states that the playoff should only have 4 conference champs. While this isn't official word from on high, it's still out in the public now.

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That sound you hear is some ND folks collectively freaking out.
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Also the ACC, Big East, BYU, the MAC and CUSA.

Only 4 conference champs would mean Big 10, PAC 12, SEC and Big12/ACC

EDIT: Actually I misread the OP. Delany is more firing shots against both ND and Bama, just saying that team should have to win their division in order to make the playoffs.

Delany wants them to take the top 4 conference champions or at larges (as long as they win their conference division)
 
Hmmm. Right now with Texas/Oklahoma/Oklahoma St the Big 12 looks pretty strong. We would need ND and maybe Penn St to seal the deal for it to be us over them. Right now depends on who you ask because after them it drops off pretty quick, but we don't have a Texas.

FSU, Clemson, VPISU, Georgia Tech, Miami? I don't know if we come out on top in that battle.
 
If the Big 12 did lose out I figure Oklahoma/OKST to SEC, Texas to Pac 12? Thats a tough split.
 
NatiJacket said:
Also the ACC, Big East, BYU, the MAC and CUSA.

Only 4 conference champs would mean Big 10, PAC 12, SEC and Big12/ACC

EDIT: Actually I misread the OP. Delany is more firing shots against both ND and Bama, just saying that team should have to win their conference in order to make the playoffs.

Delany wants them to take the top 4 conference champions and ignore at-larges so if the ACC or Big East was among the top 4 champions, even if ranked say 7th, they would make the playoffs.
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I know I'm an optimist, but I like to think we're one of the top 5, rather than one of the bottom 6 or 7. Also, if we were somehow able to get ND in the fold, that would elevate our stature a little.

No one wants another LSU-Bama scenario.
 
NatiJacket said:
EDIT: Actually I misread the OP. Delany is more firing shots against both ND and Bama, just saying that team should have to win their division in order to make the playoffs.

Delany wants them to take the top 4 conference champions or at larges (as long as they win their conference division)
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This. Was wondering why everyone was freaking out.
 
Mkemkay said:
B1G commish states that the playoff should only have 4 conference champs. While this isn't official word from on high, it's still out in the public now.

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That sound you hear is some ND folks collectively freaking out.
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:laugher: Yeah right. There will be an ND exception. There always is.

The fact that you care enough about ND to post a thread about their status with regard to a playoff shows why they will get an exception.
 
I'd rather have a ND exception than another year of a single conference playing for "the national championship"
 
Delany wants them to take the top 4 conference champions or at larges (as long as they win their conference division)

The problem here is that a team could play a patsy schedule and win their division, but lose their conference championship and still go. Take UGAy's schedule this year for example. They again don't play Ala, LSU or Ark. So they only would have to win the watered down East to get a shot... I think you should take the conference champions only and pick the best 4 of the bunch. If it's going to be a true playoff, then IMO this is the better way...
 
they have to choose conferences... it's not a guarantee. schedule will affect which get selected.
 
As for ND... They have played some decent schedules in the past with games from the ACC, BiG and Pac 12. I don't care for ND at all but if they played a good schedule and were undefeated, I wouldn't have a problem with them going...
 
rduck said:
As for ND... They have played some decent schedules in the past with games from the ACC, BiG and Pac 12. I don't care for ND at all but if they played a good schedule and were undefeated, I wouldn't have a problem with them going...
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But their schedule is too hard. They will never go undefeated again playing a schedule like this:

Navy Midshipmen
Purdue Boilermakers
#12 at Michigan State Spartans
#10 Michigan Wolverines
Miami (FL) Hurricanes
#15 Stanford Cardinal
BYU Cougars
#5 at Oklahoma Sooners
Pittsburgh Panthers
at Boston College Eagles
Wake Forest Demon Deacons
#1 at USC Trojans

They play at the $1, #5, and #12 teams and play the #10 and #15 teams at home. On top of that, even their "easy" games aren't that easy. No directional schools and no non-BCS schools (other than BYU and Navy) and both are BCS quality.

*Rankings used from some stupid pre-season pole.
 
05GTCorndog said:
But their schedule is too hard. They will never go undefeated again playing a schedule like this:

Navy Midshipmen
Purdue Boilermakers
#12 at Michigan State Spartans
#10 Michigan Wolverines
Miami (FL) Hurricanes
#15 Stanford Cardinal
BYU Cougars
#5 at Oklahoma Sooners
Pittsburgh Panthers
at Boston College Eagles
Wake Forest Demon Deacons
#1 at USC Trojans

They play at the $1, #5, and #12 teams and play the #10 and #15 teams at home. On top of that, even their "easy" games aren't that easy. No directional schools and no non-BCS schools (other than BYU and Navy) and both are BCS quality.
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I see your point. I should have said if they were undefeated or with as good a record as the conference champs with this schedule, they should have a shot at getting in. Again, I give them credit for taking on schedules like this more than I take away from them not being in a conference...
 
The ACC is in great shape for a 4 team playoff.

As bad as we have ----ing sucked over the past 8 years (as a conference), we STILL GOT TWO FREAKING TEAMS INTO BCS GAMES LAST SEASON!

Not bad for a suckass conference! Imagine the props we get when we actually get good....which is still a very real possibility.
 
What he's actually saying is that if you didn't win your conference, you should be out of the final 4.

That's good for us, because it means we won't see 2 or 3 of the 4 spots going to the SEC.

That's what this fight is about. It's about whether the SEC gets to send multiple schools. It's not an attack on ND, it's an attack on Slive. And Slive is going to fight tooth and nail to try and keep it open for 2 or more SEC teams to fill the 4 slots.
 
beej67 said:
What he's actually saying is that if you didn't win your conference, you should be out of the final 4.

That's good for us, because it means we won't see 2 or 3 of the 4 spots going to the SEC.

That's what this fight is about. It's about whether the SEC gets to send multiple schools. It's not an attack on ND, it's an attack on Slive. And Slive is going to fight tooth and nail to try and keep it open for 2 or more SEC teams to fill the 4 slots.
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What he's actually saying is that if you didn't win your division, you should be out of the final 4.

fixed it for you. It was a straight barb at Bama, and would also limit it to 2 teams per conference.

Unless conferences started going to 10-14 divisions!@! Someone call up the NC Mafia, I have a great idea.
 
IMO You should have to be a conference champion. Not just a division winner. This eliminates any one conference from taking up half the "playoff". This eliminates another all SEC or any other conference championship game. This also takes away the media conference bias that allowed a fiasco such as last years game.

The only way to allow a non conference winner into the playoff would be to implement a "wildcard" into it, which then would mean they would have to expand the # of teams in it.
 
rduck said:
I see your point. I should have said if they were undefeated or with as good a record as the conference champs with this schedule, they should have a shot at getting in. Again, I give them credit for taking on schedules like this more than I take away from them not being in a conference...
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I understood what you meant. I just wanted to highlight that they are scheduling like some sick games, but guaranteeing at least 2 losses each year in doing so. ND's schedule puts anything in the SEC to shame.

***I am not a ND fan. And giving them props for anything pains me***
 
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