School needs to make up their mind

midatlantech said:
The sad thing is my nephew is gifted and looking at schools right now. He wants engineering, but also wants to do music. Folks say that we dont need to water down what we are about with more degrees. BS IMO, he would have been a great asset to Tech; both parents graduated, one a PhD, and he has similar potential. Folks that are so close minded is going to kill our school.

The experience of Tech is what made the best mark on me and helped in my business success. Even a football player can learn big time just from the experience. We are so arrogant now in how Ma Tech tries to choose what is best for the student. Thomas Friedman was bragging about Tech by saying how wonderful it was that the Tech student was being allowed to create their own program. If a football player wants to enjoy the Tech experience and write his own program, what is wrong with that and why is it different?
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Tech actually has a very good and extremely innovative School of Music. You should tell your nephew to go to the website. They are in the middle of gaining funding for a new building and will have a significantly increased presence on campus. They mix traditional performance music with progressive technology and ideas. Their new chair is on top of things.
 
etc79 said:
When I started looking at colleges, I was no where near GT material.....But it was my goal to get in....I went to KSU my undergrad....busted my ass, and got into Tech for my grad degree....as I left KSU....I met plenty of kids that went to Tech and failed out....too many newer Tech grads have this elitist point of view that would make pioneers of this school sick....
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Agree 100 percent. I am a Tech grad and I have met so many people from our school who think that the college they attended, and its academic prestige, will define their whole life more than anything else. If attending GT is the crowning achievement of your life...you haven't accomplished very much. It is what you do after you enter the real world. Plenty of people from other schools have pretty successful lives....including UGA grads. These same kind of people are the ones who think letting in dumber athletes will hurt their degree. Its this kind of person that will kill Tech football if other alums don't stand up and demand change. The current status quo will result in apathy and the ultimate loss of interest from people who are not alums.
 
goodbyte said:
But he said that he grew up watching Clemson football in rural Pennsylvania and was a huge fan of the Tiggers when he was just a wee lad. Why would he lie? :hsughcry:
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Not to throw fuel on a raging fire.
 
cuzjacket said:
I guess we will see how good of a business school we are when the football program becomes a money loser in the years to come. Season tickets sales will be way down next year, and I don't see us doing well with walk up sales to counter it either. Football can be an asset or a drain on the school. Its going to have to be a drain before anything happens I'm afraid.
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No, they will do just enough to keep you hooked. Slightly above mediocre...nothing more nothing less.
 
GoldZ said:
Because winning football enhances a school's academic and research goals vs lessening degree values. Many on here don't get it and more importantly the snobs on the Hill don't. 60 Minutes did a good expose on this last week, with college presidents recognizing the value of their sports programs, that their academic programs alone could never achieve. (Now, here comes the lame ass "mission statement" rebuttal--brace yourself)
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+ 1

Interest in your program brings more students via exposure into national markets. It is a great advertising tool that puts GT right into peoples living rooms.
 
Seriously, you guys should do something if you're really upset by this. For example, get a large group of alumni to send in a form letter or sign a petition to Bud to take some action.

Then organize a group of Atlanta-area alumni to "hold hearings" to determine a solution for Tech athletics. Advertise the event on all alumni outlets (the website, linkedin, facebook, Stingtalk, etc.) and have an event. Invite former players, current and former professors, current and former administrators, etc. to the event to explain what they think is wrong and what can be fixed.

After the hearings, write a report advising Tech on the future of its athletic program and how the program can be grown to generate more revenue and prestige for GT. Send the report to Bud.

This helps in a number of ways:
1. The administration doesn't care enough about football to do something like this on their own - they take an inside out view of the situation not an outside-in view.
2. It presses the idea that alumni are unhappy and are willing to take extreme measures to resolve it.
3. The result would produced a series of well-informed, logical, and beneficial recommendations that the president would have no choice but to act on.
4. The resulting report would be a rallying call for alumni. Rather than uncoordinated calls of "make athletics better" or "let in more athletes", there would be an organized flag for people to rally around.
5. The outcome would be a large number of vocal alumni who are well informed on athletics and would potentially be placed on the board for athletics.

If someone on here organized this, they would not only help Tech but they'd position themselves as a powerful voice of the alumni who could fight the Hill with the backing of thousands of donors.
 
gtphd said:
Seriously, you guys should do something if you're really upset by this. For example, get a large group of alumni to send in a form letter or sign a petition to Bud to take some action.

Then organize a group of Atlanta-area alumni to "hold hearings" to determine a solution for Tech athletics. Advertise the event on all alumni outlets (the website, linkedin, facebook, Stingtalk, etc.) and have an event. Invite former players, current and former professors, current and former administrators, etc. to the event to explain what they think is wrong and what can be fixed.

After the hearings, write a report advising Tech on the future of it's athletic program and how the program can be grown to generate more revenue and prestige for GT. Send the report to Bud.

This helps in a number of ways:
1. The administration doesn't care enough about football to do something like this on their own - they take an inside out view of the situation not an outside-in view.
2. It presses the idea that alumni are unhappy and are willing to take extreme measures to resolve it.
3. The result would produced a series of well-informed, logical, and beneficial recommendations that the president would have no choice but to act on.
4. The resulting report would be a rallying call for alumni. Rather than uncoordinated calls of "make athletics better" or "let in more athletes", there would be an organized flag for people to rally around.
5. The outcome would be a large number of vocal alumni who are well informed on athletics and would potentially be placed on the board for athletics.

If someone on here organized this, they would not only help Tech but they'd position themselves as a powerful voice of the alumni who could fight the Hill with the backing of thousands of donors.
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Sounds like work.
 
gtphd said:
Seriously, you guys should do something if you're really upset by this. For example, get a large group of alumni to send in a form letter or sign a petition to Bud to take some action.

Then organize a group of Atlanta-area alumni to "hold hearings" to determine a solution for Tech athletics. Advertise the event on all alumni outlets (the website, linkedin, facebook, Stingtalk, etc.) and have an event. Invite former players, current and former professors, current and former administrators, etc. to the event to explain what they think is wrong and what can be fixed.

After the hearings, write a report advising Tech on the future of its athletic program and how the program can be grown to generate more revenue and prestige for GT. Send the report to Bud.

This helps in a number of ways:
1. The administration doesn't care enough about football to do something like this on their own - they take an inside out view of the situation not an outside-in view.
2. It presses the idea that alumni are unhappy and are willing to take extreme measures to resolve it.
3. The result would produced a series of well-informed, logical, and beneficial recommendations that the president would have no choice but to act on.
4. The resulting report would be a rallying call for alumni. Rather than uncoordinated calls of "make athletics better" or "let in more athletes", there would be an organized flag for people to rally around.
5. The outcome would be a large number of vocal alumni who are well informed on athletics and would potentially be placed on the board for athletics.

If someone on here organized this, they would not only help Tech but they'd position themselves as a powerful voice of the alumni who could fight the Hill with the backing of thousands of donors.
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We'll put you in charge of that committee. Good luck!
 
gtphd said:
Seriously, you guys should do something if you're really upset by this. For example, get a large group of alumni to send in a form letter or sign a petition to Bud to take some action.

Then organize a group of Atlanta-area alumni to "hold hearings" to determine a solution for Tech athletics. Advertise the event on all alumni outlets (the website, linkedin, facebook, Stingtalk, etc.) and have an event. Invite former players, current and former professors, current and former administrators, etc. to the event to explain what they think is wrong and what can be fixed.

After the hearings, write a report advising Tech on the future of its athletic program and how the program can be grown to generate more revenue and prestige for GT. Send the report to Bud.

This helps in a number of ways:
1. The administration doesn't care enough about football to do something like this on their own - they take an inside out view of the situation not an outside-in view.
2. It presses the idea that alumni are unhappy and are willing to take extreme measures to resolve it.
3. The result would produced a series of well-informed, logical, and beneficial recommendations that the president would have no choice but to act on.
4. The resulting report would be a rallying call for alumni. Rather than uncoordinated calls of "make athletics better" or "let in more athletes", there would be an organized flag for people to rally around.
5. The outcome would be a large number of vocal alumni who are well informed on athletics and would potentially be placed on the board for athletics.

If someone on here organized this, they would not only help Tech but they'd position themselves as a powerful voice of the alumni who could fight the Hill with the backing of thousands of donors.
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+1

I've always thought GT should create an "Institute for Athletics" or something along those lines to initially study, solve, and implement ideas to fix problems we perennially see, then move on to larger problems in student athletics nationally.

I've suggested that we, as a community, create a wiki page of sorts to collaboratively solve these problems. However, pro active ideas to stop extraordinarily embarrassing events, like yesterday's disaster, and our empty stadium are, usually, met with derision, apathy, and skepticism by the random internet people that are simultaneously perusing 4chan and WoW forums. (Not that there's anything wrong with that :wink:)
 
gtphd said:
Which is why the alumni and the GTAA will continue to get pushed around by the Hill.
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Seriously, who makes up the "Hill"?

Bud? Who else? And who are they to have the power to push around those who pay their salaries?

Roll Call - devote it all, as soon as can be done, to the AA for a couple of years. If some alum will not go along with that, don't let them in the pool.

Research $ - contact the gov't agencies & corporations and make sure they know how the money has been wasted here. Make the Hill take a hit. Did we not have someone from the Hill embezzle some money a few years ago? Use political pressure ( and donations) until they get the message that their freeloading has a price. Cut off our nose for a while to save our face.

Stop all academic donations. Give to AA only.

Redo any trust / wills you have to the school. Make sure it goes to AA - ironclad the MF. Make sure nerds on the Hill know about it.

Do what you can to get endowments decreased / changed.

We, in the short term, need to cut ourselves and bleed some until a greater disease is taken out.

What specific names make up this "Hill"? Turn it into Hell.
 
texstinger said:
Seriously, who makes up the "Hill"?

Bud? Who else? And who are they to have the power to push around those who pay their salaries?

Roll Call - devote it all, as soon as can be done, to the AA for a couple of years. If some alum will not go along with that, don't let them in the pool.

Research $ - contact the gov't agencies & corporations and make sure they know how the money has been wasted here. Make the Hill take a hit. Did we not have someone from the Hill embezzle some money a few years ago? Use political pressure ( and donations) until they get the message that their freeloading has a price. Cut off our nose for a while to save our face.

Stop all academic donations. Give to AA only.

Redo any trust / wills you have to the school. Make sure it goes to AA - ironclad the MF. Make sure nerds on the Hill know about it.

Do what you can to get endowments decreased / changed.

We, in the short term, need to cut ourselves and bleed some until a greater disease is taken out.

What specific names make up this "Hill"? Turn it into Hell.
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now you went from influencing GT to trying to hurt GT

GTFO
 
cyptomcat said:
now you went from influencing GT to trying to hurt GT

GTFO
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This could be the first thing that we need to fix.

It is THEY that are hurting GT. Not me.

We are paying their salaries and they tell US what to do? F T.

They don't care about GT, they care about their pockets and getting published.

They are the ones who refuse to recognize what great things the Yellow Jackets success on the fields and court has done for the ENTIRE Institute. Things that money can not buy.

Those ----ers need to pay and be made to understand.

Who makes up this ----ing Hill?
 
texstinger said:
This could be the first thing that we need to fix.

It is THEY that are hurting GT. Not me.

We are paying their salaries and they tell US what to do? F T.

They don't care about GT, they care about their pockets and getting published.

They are the ones who refuse to recognize what great things the Yellow Jackets success on the fields and court has done for the ENTIRE Institute. Things that money can not buy.

Those ----ers need to pay and be made to understand.

Who makes up this ----ing Hill?
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Butthurt Sunday is over. Time to move on.
 
texstinger said:
This could be the first thing that we need to fix.

It is THEY that are hurting GT. Not me.

We are paying their salaries and they tell US what to do? F T.

They don't care about GT, they care about their pockets and getting published.

They are the ones who refuse to recognize what great things the Yellow Jackets success on the fields and court has done for the ENTIRE Institute. Things that money can not buy.

Those ----ers need to pay and be made to understand.

Who makes up this ----ing Hill?
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:rotfl:

GT has grown immensely in the last 15-30 years in terms of research, budget, buildings, student success, student size, facilities, rankings, etc. etc. to levels never seen before.

Under their guidance.
 
texstinger said:
This could be the first thing that we need to fix.

It is THEY that are hurting GT. Not me.

We are paying their salaries and they tell US what to do? F T.

They don't care about GT, they care about their pockets and getting published.

They are the ones who refuse to recognize what great things the Yellow Jackets success on the fields and court has done for the ENTIRE Institute. Things that money can not buy.

Those ----ers need to pay and be made to understand.

Who makes up this ----ing Hill?
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I'm confused, I thought being a nationally renowned research institute was a good thing? Some of you older grads need to come to grips with the fact that GT is no longer a regional technical engineering school.
 
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