Tech's Academic Record for Athletes Under CPJ

GTCrew4b said:
I think we should avoid making fun of the players in these cases, and instead hold the administrators and Athletic Associations who do these things responsible.

I can't imagine being raised in an environment where teaching your children how to read was not seen as a priority.
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We tend to forget that these athletes are still very much "kids" and kids who have been neglected and exploited by virtually every adult in their lives.
 
GTCrew4b said:
I think we should avoid making fun of the players in these cases, and instead hold the administrators and Athletic Associations who do these things responsible.

I can't imagine being raised in an environment where teaching your children how to read was not seen as a priority.
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This is StingTalk but I get your point.

Although I'm not a Republican, I could get behind what this representative from Penssylvania is at least trying to do....Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA)

"U.S. Rep. Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania introduced legislation in the House last year that calls for a complete overhaul of the NCAA. When he talked to CNN, he cited the lack of consistency in the way recent NCAA investigations into various improprieties were handled at Auburn, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, Ohio State and Penn State.
"I think (the NCAA) needs to be looked at. I think they need to be reined in," Dent said.
Mary Willingham went on the trip to Washington and said she came back feeling that they could make some progress in bringing change.

Perhaps we should flood him with donations and tell him the reason why we're doing so. Did y'all know politicians like money?
 
Force schools to double scholly offers. If you take a football player from high school X, you have to offer a full ride to some kid in the top 10% of his HS class. If a football player fits both bills, he can pocket the 2nd scholly.
 
GTCrew4b said:
I think we should avoid making fun of the players in these cases, and instead hold the administrators and Athletic Associations who do these things responsible.

I can't imagine being raised in an environment where teaching your children how to read was not seen as a priority.
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So we can make fun of the parents?

I dont advocate making fun of anybody either. All of the parties, the kids, the parents, and the educators share guilt if a kid graduates from college that cant read. The kid is responsible for himself, and if he got to college not knowing that then he has some big problems.

They are all responsible for such a failure, nobody is innocent, but remember, only ony party exploits the kid.
 
WracerX said:
Force schools to double scholly offers. If you take a football player from high school X, you have to offer a full ride to some kid in the top 10% of his HS class. If a football player fits both bills, he can pocket the 2nd scholly.
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I am sure there are major holes in this idea, but my first thought is: I like it.

It would have to be based on actual testing of some type to verify that the academic skillls are actually present. Ya'll do know that some HS's give kids grades, right? Anyway, if a kid gets a high score on the SAT/ACT/other test for this, then he/she could pocket the academic portion of their schollies...That would be great, and maybe a positive motivator for some......
 
Testing will always fail. Require all NCAA athletes to have a video taped interview in which they are required to read and respond to literacy related items, then make them available to everyone everywhere on the web. When people can finally SEE how stupid some of these guys are, that's when you'll get pressure to change. Data like 7.5% of this was below a score of that compared to a median score of this for a demographic of those blah blah blah, nobody really understands or cares. Show them a video of a guy who still has to read words one letter at a time, slowly, and they'll get it. And don't stop there, have a life goals interview, have an interview that tests the student's understanding of his major of choice and the applicable fields of work or academia beyond the undergraduate level. Then you'll either end up with a ton of bullshit that will be easy to recognize as ridiculous or the plain truth "we just want to play in the NFL".

And for what it's worth, this wouldn't hurt the normal-ass non-athlete college admissions process either.
 
GTCrew4b said:
I was tempted to start a kickstarter project to try and track down and investigate the lives of recruits after college to see which colleges and alumni networks do the best job of helping their recruits after school. I think this is one place we could improve to help our program as fans. I'm not talking about giving guys free rides and telling them to sit around, but real meaningful internships and impactful work experience when they're available.

In any event, I like to think that we avoid this kind of behavior, and that for the most part when our players gradaute they are competent students, but I have no real way of knowing/proving that.
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Crew,
great idea-might even do project to go back 10 yrs and take uga's team and track the "graduates" and see what they are doing now-are they still in work release, making burgers, cutting grass,etc?
 
I think CPJ's retention of athletes at GT is his best attribute, and GT is an institute where it is difficult to fake academic competency.

Yes, it is important to me. The primary job to me of college is how it turns boys to men, girls to women, and prepare them for employment in our advanced technological society. Nationally, we do a very mixed bag at this, both in and out of sports. A good coach who turns boys to men, and does so with integrity, is not to be thrown away lightly.

As far as reforming the other national schools, there is too much money in football for this to ever happen. Any reform would be charade, or would spawn its own unique evils. It is the money. Period. If you care about academics meaning anything to football programs, pass a law outlawing the televising of games. IOW, not going to happen.
 
7.5% is a terrible statistic here for a variety of reasons, but the more egregious offenders make UGA look like a child just trying to keep up in this game.

1% at Wisconsin
7.5% at UGA
12% at Louisville
12% at Oregon State
13.2% at Oklahoma State
13.89% at Washington
14% at LSU
15.2% at Clemson
16.75% at Texas
19.2% at Oklahoma
25% at Texas A&M
60% at UNC
 
1NYJacket said:
Why do you guys think we can't find players who are capable of handling a degree program at GT? The problem that we have is that there is a smaller population of them and we have to compete with everyone to get them - not just the Stanfords, Northwestern's, Notre Dame, etc. But, these guys that we want may also want to give the NFL a shot because it could be big money for a few years.

So, having a program that demonstrates the skill set the NFL is looking for has an advantage with these recruits.
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IMO the problem is that we want to recruit great student athletes but we also want to focus on recruiting in Georgia. We're limiting ourselves in a huge way by doing that.

Stanford, Notre Dame are great examples of schools with similar academic hurdles to recruiting and they get around it by looking everywhere around the country for recruits. Not stubbornly sticking to recruiting their own backyard.
 
TechinItEasy said:
IMO the problem is that we want to recruit great student athletes but we also want to focus on recruiting in Georgia. We're limiting ourselves in a huge way by doing that.

Stanford, Notre Dame are great examples of schools with similar academic hurdles to recruiting and they get around it by looking everywhere around the country for recruits. Not stubbornly sticking to recruiting their own backyard.
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CPJ has been quoted in saying that his staff recruits farther away from GT, where the name is less known. This was even part of the Walkosky hire.


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AlaGold said:
Crew,
great idea-might even do project to go back 10 yrs and take uga's team and track the "graduates" and see what they are doing now-are they still in work release, making burgers, cutting grass,etc?
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You missed the biggest field: Garbage Men.
 
TechinItEasy said:
IMO the problem is that we want to recruit great student athletes but we also want to focus on recruiting in Georgia. We're limiting ourselves in a huge way by doing that.

Stanford, Notre Dame are great examples of schools with similar academic hurdles to recruiting and they get around it by looking everywhere around the country for recruits. Not stubbornly sticking to recruiting their own backyard.
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How do we know that Stanford and Notre Dame aren't just as big a problem in this regard as LSU or Texas (I won't stoop as far as to compare them the UNC)?
 
JacketFan77 said:
We tend to forget that these athletes are still very much "kids" and kids who have been neglected and exploited by virtually every adult in their lives.
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Including their own parents in most cases, which is WRONG

GTCrew4b said:
I can't imagine being raised in an environment where teaching your children how to read was not seen as a priority.
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I have a sister-in-law that taught 12 grade English at a public high school for a couple years in S Ga. To make a long story short, there were a handful of kids that cared about graduating high school and attending college afterwards, but the majority of the kids couldn't couldn't read on a middle school level and could've cared less whether they attending school or not. They were wrapped up in sports thinking they're gonna make it to the pros, and if that wasn't the case, they could make a good living for themselves living off welfare. What makes it worse, the school board down there is corrupt themselves and the parents, well, they were pretty young themselves, and pretty much went through the same scenario when they were in school.
Needless to say, she's teaching at a private school now down in the area.
It doesn't just start w/ athletic associations at universities, however, they could set an example to start with.. It start with parents and local governments where it directly affects kids. I know when I was growing up, my parents instilled school and college in me. There were no ways around that.
 
GoTech19 said:
Including their own parents in most cases, which is WRONG



I have a sister-in-law that taught 12 grade English at a public high school for a couple years in S Ga. To make a long story short, there were a handful of kids that cared about graduating high school and attending college afterwards, but the majority of the kids couldn't couldn't read on a middle school level and could've cared less whether they attending school or not. They were wrapped up in sports thinking they're gonna make it to the pros, and if that wasn't the case, they could make a good living for themselves living off welfare. What makes it worse, the school board down there is corrupt themselves and the parents, well, they were pretty young themselves, and pretty much went through the same scenario when they were in school.
Needless to say, she's teaching at a private school now down in the area.
It doesn't just start w/ athletic associations at universities, however, they could set an example to start with.. It start with parents and local governments where it directly affects kids. I know when I was growing up, my parents instilled school and college in me. There were no ways around that.
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This. These guys are graduating high school, so it starts well before they get into college.


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They didn't even ask us for data.

But you know, academic reputation doesn't matter at all. /sarcasm
 
aeromech said:
How do we know that Stanford and Notre Dame aren't just as big a problem in this regard as LSU or Texas (I won't stoop as far as to compare them the UNC)?
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Well, I only have the school's reputations and a single anecdote(a friend was on the wrestling team at Stanford) to go on...but it doesn't seem that way. Every D1 school gives extra help to athletes, the variable is just *how much* help they give.

My comments were directed more towards how GT can recruit better players while keeping its academic integrity though.
 
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