OFFICIAL Signing Day Thread

Lest anyone get any other notions from a small bit of good news, your friendly local "we suck" brigade is out in full force letting you know that nothing has changed here on StingTalk.
 
ContactBuzz said:
So, if I'm not happy with 1-15 against those 4 over 4 seasons then I'm not being realistic?
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The point is that you can pick any arbitrary slice of a history to express an opinion. You and everyone else with the "big 4" argument realize this. What you don't want to admit is that Tech has always been a middle of the road program with flashes of brilliance once a decade in the modern era. If this makes you uncomfortable, find a new program to "support" rather than continuing to regurgitate the same tired nonsense in every thread.
 
jdubjacket said:
No, you're inherently biased, apparently.
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I guess so. I mean we did win* the division 2 years ago and beat the division winner this year. I guess we have been a force and I'm being too negative.
 
GATechAE07 said:
The point is that you can pick any arbitrary slice of a history to express an opinion. You and everyone else with the "big 4" argument realize this. What you don't want to admit is that Tech has always been a middle of the road program with flashes of brilliance once a decade in the modern era. If this makes you uncomfortable, find a new program to "support" rather than continuing to regurgitate the same tired nonsense in every thread.
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Decisions to fire/hire coaches are made based on information from much shorter 'arbitrary' periods than 4 seasons (by people not regarded as mouth breathers). The 1-15 is a pretty strong indicator that we're moving in wrong direction - you won't find the number that low over any 4 consecutive seaons for the prior coach that we ran out of town.

Personally, I want to see the on-the-field results change. I couldn't care less where the recruiting rankings end up if that happens.
 
etc79 said:
Well I do not care what Paul says, rankings do matter. He can make up whatever BS he wants all day long, but at the end of the day, having 50 + ranked recruiting classes is not getting the job done in order to beat the big 4.

I do like this class more than any of his others. But its still not good enough, I would hope that he would understand that and strive to get better players in his system.
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I think his point is that recruiting ratings don't matter when it comes to the guys that we can get. Of course 5 star 6'5 240 lb WR and 6'7 320 lb OL matter but guess what? Those guys haven't been lining up to come to GT. We get the few that we can but to think that we're going to be rolling 25 deep in 4 and 5 stars is just not the reality.

We don't run a traditional offense either so the guys that fit our offensive system, may not translate well to a prototypical recruit. Nobody knows what 80% of these guys are going to turn out like. You have the doreal green beckhams and nkemdiches that everyone knows are going to shine and then there's everybody else. We generally don't get those top guys but if we can string a couple good seasons together, maybe we can turn the tide.

This year could be the start and then 2015 we have an awesome schedule! Notre dame and FSU!
 
The rules are whoever makes the argument involving the least critical thinking skills wins. The nuclear option is barking.
 
buzztheirazz said:
I think his point is that recruiting ratings don't matter when it comes to the guys that we can get. Of course 5 star 6'5 240 lb WR and 6'7 320 lb OL matter but guess what? Those guys haven't been lining up to come to GT. We get the few that we can but to think that we're going to be rolling 25 deep in 4 and 5 stars is just not the reality.

We don't run a traditional offense either so the guys that fit our offensive system, may not translate well to a prototypical recruit. Nobody knows what 80% of these guys are going to turn out like. You have the doreal green beckhams and nkemdiches that everyone knows are going to shine and then there's everybody else. We generally don't get those top guys but if we can string a couple good seasons together, maybe we can turn the tide.

This year could be the start and then 2015 we have an awesome schedule! Notre dame and FSU!
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I don't think anyone here is subscribing to the notion that we should be pulling in a full class of 4/5 stars. FSU can't even do that.
 
ContactBuzz said:
Decisions to fire/hire coaches are made based on information from much shorter 'arbitrary' periods than 4 seasons (by people not regarded as mouth breathers). The 1-15 is a pretty strong indicator that we're moving in wrong direction - you won't find the number that low over any 4 consecutive seaons for the prior coach that we ran out of town.

Personally, I want to see the on-the-field results change. I couldn't care less where the recruiting rankings end up if that happens.
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The "prior coach" had a 29% winning percentage against ranked opponents; the current coach has a 32% winning percentage against ranked opponents over the same time horizon. By God, we're really trending here. If you don't like CPJ fine, but don't pretend that your chosen statistic is a damning metric or that as a program we're so much worse off than we ever had been.
 
GATechAE07 said:
The "prior coach" had a 29% winning percentage against ranked opponents; the current coach has a 32% winning percentage against ranked opponents over the same time horizon. By God, we're really trending here. If you don't like CPJ fine, but don't pretend that your chosen statistic is a damning metric or that as a program we're so much worse off than we ever had been.
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I don't mind CPJ as a coach nor do I mind the style of football. Really the only problem I have (and it shouldn't be a secret) is his awful handling of the local media which can't help his recruiting efforts. But I can't ignore the 1-15 especially when two of the teams (VT/ThugU) have been no better than us over the 4 year period (when you look at how they've fared against similar opponents).

And the 29% / 32% number doesn't really help your argument. It basically shows we seen no improvment for more than double the HC salary.
 
buzztheirazz said:
Yeah. Sorry. Meant 3 and 4 stars.
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Honestly I would just like for us to get away from being anywhere near the number 50 and get closer to a 30th rank on a more consistent basis. I think that should be achievable.
 
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