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OK, that's a slightly grandiose title for what I really want to talk about – the way bowl sponsors have destroyed the historicity of bowls. Below is the ACC's bowl selection process, per the ACC's site:
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Take note that after the Big 6 bowls are wrapped up, the next pick goes to the "Camping World Bowl."

Camping World Bowl is the current name of the old Blockbuster/Carquest/Champs Sports Bowl that we've won twice (vs. WV in 1997 and vs. Syracuse in 2004). This bowl has had seven names in less than thirty years of existence, and has even changed cities (from Miami to Orlando).

This used to be a pretty minor bowl – and yet somehow it now gets first pick of ACC teams after the Big 6 are filled. (And it gets third pick of Big 12 teams, so that once again the ACC team plays an opponent further down the selection ladder on the other side, as seems to always be the case.)

Even more confusing is the fact that until last year Camping World was the name sponsor of the Independence Bowl.

Can't we get some kind of antitrust exemption so that the conferences can band together and tell the sponsors to stuff it when they offer additional money to remove the name of the bowl altogether?

(Of course, the irony to my complaint is that the Camping World Bowl is such a product of commercialism that it never had a non-sponsorship name, starting out as the Blockbuster Bowl. They tempered the corporatism for three years (2001-2003) when it was the Visit Florida Tangerine or Mazda Tangerine Bowl – confusing anyone who associated the Tangerine Bowl with the Citrus Bowl.)

The CFP has gotten so many things right, but one of the best things they did was force Chick-fil-A to let the Peach Bowl be called the Peach Bowl again.
 
Even worse is the forced "subsidy" that the schools give these bowl games by way of buying obligated to buy a certain # of tickets. And the silly bowl committees that get to be a "non-profit" completes the sham. Let these bowls survive on their own and many of them would (thankfully) die off pretty quickly.

As far as the corporate name game destroying what fans used to think of certain bowls, the Gator has probably had the largest fall. It used to be a good New Year's day game and now it's the taxslayer something, w/Gator long gone from the name.
 
GT98 said:
Even worse is the forced "subsidy" that the schools give these bowl games by way of buying obligated to buy a certain # of tickets. And the silly bowl committees that get to be a "non-profit" completes the sham. Let these bowls survive on their own and many of them would (thankfully) die off pretty quickly.

As far as the corporate name game destroying what fans used to think of certain bowls, the Gator has probably had the largest fall. It used to be a good New Year's day game and now it's the taxslayer something, w/Gator long gone from the name.
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According to the graphic, they actually are calling it the "Tax Slayer Gator Bowl" this year, but it has definitely fallen down the pecking order.
 
The Sun Bowl used to be a pretty significant bowl game too but it has fallen down the pecking order too.
 
18in32 said:
OK, that's a slightly grandiose title for what I really want to talk about – the way bowl sponsors have destroyed the historicity of bowls. Below is the ACC's bowl selection process, per the ACC's site:
image_handler.aspx

Take note that after the Big 6 bowls are wrapped up, the next pick goes to the "Camping World Bowl."

Camping World Bowl is the current name of the old Blockbuster/Carquest/Champs Sports Bowl that we've won twice (vs. WV in 1997 and vs. Syracuse in 2004). This bowl has had seven names in less than thirty years of existence, and has even changed cities (from Miami to Orlando).

This used to be a pretty minor bowl – and yet somehow it now gets first pick of ACC teams after the Big 6 are filled. (And it gets third pick of Big 12 teams, so that once again the ACC team plays an opponent further down the selection ladder on the other side, as seems to always be the case.)

Even more confusing is the fact that until last year Camping World was the name sponsor of the Independence Bowl.

Can't we get some kind of antitrust exemption so that the conferences can band together and tell the sponsors to stuff it when they offer additional money to remove the name of the bowl altogether?

(Of course, the irony to my complaint is that the Camping World Bowl is such a product of commercialism that it never had a non-sponsorship name, starting out as the Blockbuster Bowl. They tempered the corporatism for three years (2001-2003) when it was the Visit Florida Tangerine or Mazda Tangerine Bowl – confusing anyone who associated the Tangerine Bowl with the Citrus Bowl.)

The CFP has gotten so many things right, but one of the best things they did was force Chick-fil-A to let the Peach Bowl be called the Peach Bowl again.
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This is a product of television plus the NCAA plus the university presidents. Disney is a big draw in Orlando. If the venue was in Tampa it would be the Bad Boy Mowers Bowl, picking 48th. And they all can't be named after fruit or some other commodity associated with the location. Do we really want a Garlic Bowl in Gilroy, California?
 
Teams that were good before will be better now. (Pareto distribution and all that.)

Teams used to be able to rise to the top of the heap: BYU, Tech, Colorado, Miami.

But now the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Idk
 
Yes. Too much oversell, I don't care for the hype when the games are about to start,,etc. (the too loud music videos & action shots) , the coaches salaries are way out of line , the increase in making stadiums with private luxury boxes. The total abandonment of the average fan to satiate tv. Just the entire experience of college & high school football is not as enjoyable as it used to be to me or SWMBO. Many of my friends feel the same way, that our interest is not what it once was . A lot of the displays of overly aggressiveness , poor to nonexistent sportsmanship, the attitude of fans with their over the top attitudes. People in athletic depts. should not be among the highest paid on a college campus.
 
georgytech said:
Yes. Too much oversell, I don't care for the hype when the games are about to start,,etc. (the too loud music videos & action shots) , the coaches salaries are way out of line , the increase in making stadiums with private luxury boxes. The total abandonment of the average fan to satiate tv. Just the entire experience of college & high school football is not as enjoyable as it used to be to me or SWMBO. Many of my friends feel the same way, that our interest is not what it once was . A lot of the displays of overly aggressiveness , poor to nonexistent sportsmanship, the attitude of fans with their over the top attitudes. People in athletic depts. should not be among the highest paid on a college campus.
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Yukonwreck said:
This is a product of television plus the NCAA plus the university presidents. Disney is a big draw in Orlando. If the venue was in Tampa it would be the Bad Boy Mowers Bowl, picking 48th. And they all can't be named after fruit or some other commodity associated with the location. Do we really want a Garlic Bowl in Gilroy, California?
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TBH, that's better than the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl
 
18in32 said:
Just the football forum?
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Exactly. I do try to watch every GT game, and I may watch our game 2 or 3 times during the week. But I don’t care to watch anyone else play. I don’t know if that’s the result of the game being boring, too much money influencing the game, politics placed in the coverage, me liking to deer hunt or a combination of all that.
 
georgytech said:
Yes. Too much oversell, I don't care for the hype when the games are about to start,,etc. (the too loud music videos & action shots) , the coaches salaries are way out of line , the increase in making stadiums with private luxury boxes. The total abandonment of the average fan to satiate tv. Just the entire experience of college & high school football is not as enjoyable as it used to be to me or SWMBO. Many of my friends feel the same way, that our interest is not what it once was . A lot of the displays of overly aggressiveness , poor to nonexistent sportsmanship, the attitude of fans with their over the top attitudes. People in athletic depts. should not be among the highest paid on a college campus.
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I agree with this except SWMBO. I reserve judgment on that cause I don’t know what it means.
 
Hard to fathom that the Gator and Sun could theoretically slot the 6th/7th best teams in the conference.
 
georgytech said:
Yes. Too much oversell, I don't care for the hype when the games are about to start,,etc. (the too loud music videos & action shots) , the coaches salaries are way out of line , the increase in making stadiums with private luxury boxes. The total abandonment of the average fan to satiate tv. Just the entire experience of college & high school football is not as enjoyable as it used to be to me or SWMBO. Many of my friends feel the same way, that our interest is not what it once was . A lot of the displays of overly aggressiveness , poor to nonexistent sportsmanship, the attitude of fans with their over the top attitudes. People in athletic depts. should not be among the highest paid on a college campus.
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Money has juiced the sport to the point where it's basically a handful of big 10 and SEC teams operating as psuedo-pro teams. It is more popular and lucrative than ever, but it's probably going to kill the sport in 5-10 years because there's no way at this rate you can still make money off these kids without paying them. If UCF can be sitting on a 21(*) game winning streak and still be outside the top ten, you known shit's rigged.

(*) That they only achieved because they ducked us last year and blamed a hurricane. Pussies.
 
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