Why does GT suck at recruiting?

For the record, I went to public school, one that is currently not accredited. I and a half dozen others from high school went to GT. However, there was probably a larger group of students who "graduated" that I doubt could score 820 or higher on the SAT.

The private schools around where I live now post significantly higher test scores than the local government schools; but maybe they have a few students that they just pass along. It is hard to tell from looking at average scores. I wonder though, have you ever heard of an athlete from a private school having academic difficulties getting into a college?
 
aeromech said:
The private schools around where I live now post significantly higher test scores than the local government schools;
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That's because the students at private schools come from well off families.
 
blah blah blah

sure, public schools are just as good as private ones and there's no difference in the kids

There's a fat guy that brings presents in December and a homosexual who will pay you when you lose a tooth.
 
Not according to US News & World Report. According to them some of the best high schools in the U.S. are in the hearts of inner city ghettos and include many 'economically disadvantaged' students. (Warning: exposure to mainstream media brainwashing may cause retardation).
 
beej67 said:
That's because the students at private schools come from well off families.
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It's not just affluence, but most private schools can hand pick their students. It's pretty easy to have higher SAT scores when you don't admit anyone you actually have to work to teach.
 
PhysicsJacket said:
I'm not saying we don't attract good players but we don't get many spectacular players at all (it seems like we get them one or 2 at a time). Our coaching staff does a great job of getting mediocre players to achieve their full potential but imagine how good we would be if we recruited like UGAy.
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I think our recruiting is fine.

I don't pay attention to it.

However, I also think following the decisions of 17 year old boys is kinda pervish.
 
NatiJacket said:
1)No Girls
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There are two ways we need to get better at addressing.

1) Considering that a lot of the highly recruited skill position guys are black, it would behoove us to point out that both Morehouse and Spellman are within 10 minutes of the GT campus. Apparently a lot of football players already draw girlfriends from these schools.

2) We're in freaking Atlanta! Everybody gripes about no girls on campus and we're living in the best freaky single girl city in the country. You don't even need much game in this town to pull some down every single weekend.
 
Why does GT suck at recruiting?
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I typed and erased about four different answers to this question but deleted each one in favor of throwing my hands up in the air and asking how anybody with the word "physics" in their handle can ask a question with such an obviously flawed premise.

Every now and then my belief that GT fans are smarter than the average fan implodes into a pile of smoldering embers.
 
00Burdell said:
I typed and erased about four different answers to this question but deleted each one in favor of throwing my hands up in the air and asking how anybody with the word "physics" in their handle can ask a question with such an obviously flawed premise.

Every now and then my belief that GT fans are smarter than the average fan implodes into a pile of smoldering embers.
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I agree. I started to post what I really thought of the original post, but then decided since it was a relatively new font, I'd take it easy.
 
Rule#1 Don't have kids if your not married. Rule#2 Don't have kids if you can't afford them. Rule#3 If you qualify for Rule1&2, support your kids in their efforts!
 
Despite the difficulty of getting someone to Tech, we still have won a MNC in the past 20 years. We just need to win a BCS game next year and check that off the list.
 
ncjacket said:
It's not just affluence, but most private schools can hand pick their students. It's pretty easy to have higher SAT scores when you don't admit anyone you actually have to work to teach.
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Yup.

They can issue scholarships to the smart kids in public school too, to bump their averages. I had two friends at Marietta that ended up at Walker because Walker was giving them a free ride to bump their scores and provide 'diversity.' They were minorities.

If you're going to have an accurate comparison between test scores from private and public schools, you need to start by comparing apples to apples. Compare the wealthy smart public school attendees with good family lives to the wealthy smart private school attendees with good family lives and you'll get very similar results.

Dumb people are extremely less likely to go to private school than public school, for a variety of reasons. And as we all know, "you can't fix stupid."

That's the fundamental flaw with No Child Left Behind. NCLB assumes that test scores are entirely due to teaching, but they're not. They're due to people being born smarter or dumber. They're due to people being born into broken homes. They're due to people being born into stressful home environments. They're due to some kids having to get part time jobs when they're still teenagers, whereas others have the time to study. They're due to differences in upbringing. They're due to a lot of stuff that schools have no control over. And all those factors lean towards private school students scoring higher, because every one of those factors correlates higher with going to public school.

Pointing at raw test score numbers as an indictment that public schools are worse than private schools is a politically motivated lie.
 
NatiJacket said:
1) No Girls

2) No recent success

3) ACC

4) Small fan base

5) Hard Admissions

6) Hard Majors

7) No Girls
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You forgot

8) No bagmen

9) No free Escalades

10) No no-show summer jobs

Alabama did just turn back into a juggernaut because of coaching.
 
beej67 said:
Yup.

They can issue scholarships to the smart kids in public school too, to bump their averages. I had two friends at Marietta that ended up at Walker because Walker was giving them a free ride to bump their scores and provide 'diversity.' They were minorities.

If you're going to have an accurate comparison between test scores from private and public schools, you need to start by comparing apples to apples. Compare the wealthy smart public school attendees with good family lives to the wealthy smart private school attendees with good family lives and you'll get very similar results.

Dumb people are extremely less likely to go to private school than public school, for a variety of reasons. And as we all know, "you can't fix stupid."

That's the fundamental flaw with No Child Left Behind. NCLB assumes that test scores are entirely due to teaching, but they're not. They're due to people being born smarter or dumber. They're due to people being born into broken homes. They're due to people being born into stressful home environments. They're due to some kids having to get part time jobs when they're still teenagers, whereas others have the time to study. They're due to differences in upbringing. They're due to a lot of stuff that schools have no control over. And all those factors lean towards private school students scoring higher, because every one of those factors correlates higher with going to public school.

Pointing at raw test score numbers as an indictment that public schools are worse than private schools is a politically motivated lie.
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I believe you and I have a question. Why does government keep throwing more and more tax money at public schools as if that will fix everything?
 
I believe you and I have a question. Why does government keep throwing more and more tax money at public schools as if that will fix everything?
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Well I know one thing for sure - teachers in public schools aren't all that great because smart people don't want to work for low salaries. It's just supply/demand, and it's the same thing with engineers and lawyers.

Why do we have more lawyers than any other country by a factor of like 20? Because being a lawyer pays a lot better than being an engineer, even though lawyers are a drain on our system. Why do we have so few good teachers? Or cops, for that matter? Because the smart, competent people get jobs that pay better doing other things.

If we want better teachers, we should pay good wages, and then hire more selectively. If we want better cops, we should pay better wages, and hire more selectively. If we want better engineers, we should pay better wages, and hire more selectively. If we want less lawyers, we should pay them lower wages.

That's just basic market economics.

I think the idea that we're "throwing tax money at education" is BS. I'd be willing to bet that adjusted for inflation and increases in cost of living, we probably pay less per student on public schools now than we did when you were in school, Esso. And I'd bet that's part of the problem.
 
beej67 said:
Well I know one thing for sure - teachers in public schools aren't all that great because smart people don't want to work for low salaries. It's just supply/demand, and it's the same thing with engineers and lawyers.

Why do we have more lawyers than any other country by a factor of like 20? Because being a lawyer pays a lot better than being an engineer, even though lawyers are a drain on our system. Why do we have so few good teachers? Or cops, for that matter? Because the smart, competent people get jobs that pay better doing other things.

If we want better teachers, we should pay good wages, and then hire more selectively. If we want better cops, we should pay better wages, and hire more selectively. If we want better engineers, we should pay better wages, and hire more selectively. If we want less lawyers, we should pay them lower wages.

That's just basic market economics.

I think the idea that we're "throwing tax money at education" is BS. I'd be willing to bet that adjusted for inflation and increases in cost of living, we probably pay less per student on public schools now than we did when you were in school, Esso. And I'd bet that's part of the problem.
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The market is no more able to measure good teaching than it is to see the danger in credit default swaps.
Money does not rule everything.
 
I also think some of the perception is that because we spent to little for so long we're in almost a perpetual catchup mode. Like roads and bridges, government spent so little on schools that everything is now crumbling. In my community they went 10 years without building a single new school. So for the last 10 we're desperately trying to make up for the neglect.

Add to that the legal requirement that public schools deal with every miscreant who is of school age, no matter if they want to be in school, and it's easy to see why public schools get such a bad rap. However as a father of 3 who graduated from public schools, none with an SAT below 1490, it can be done.
 
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