SEC vs. Big 10

floridajacket said:
I also just can't get over the geographic disparity with us and the Big 10. It's not like the MAC or WAC where every school has to fly to every other school, nor is it like BC and the ACC who shares a history with Miami and VT. We're completely out in left field for the Big 10 and share just about no history with them. I just can't make sense of it and I have to say it's probably just Internet fodder after us joining the AAU, which is probably completely unrelated.
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This exactly. Not to mention most of us live in the southeast, and we would be completely out of the southeastern football mix. And I don't think the Big 10 would gain any Atlanta fans besides GT fans so they aren't really gaining territory.
 
just FYI, the average tv rating for bowls with the big 10 involved beat bowls with the SEC involved last year. I haven't overanylized the matchups and maybe its a fluke, but considering Alabama was in the champ game and that is averaged in, it would seem they smoked the SEC in tv ratings for all the 'meaningless' games.
 
floridajacket said:
I also just can't get over the geographic disparity with us and the Big 10. It's not like the MAC or WAC where every school has to fly to every other school, nor is it like BC and the ACC who shares a history with Miami and VT. We're completely out in left field for the Big 10 and share just about no history with them. I just can't make sense of it and I have to say it's probably just Internet fodder after us joining the AAU, which is probably completely unrelated.
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No, but it could be; and those examples prove it. Those conferences were also geographically regional when they started.

Geographic proximity has been less of a factor in conference realignments in the recent past. Conferences go for the best team they can get without regard for proximity. TV money has outstripped attendance as the primary financial consideration.
 
From what I know which is very little ;)........

GT isn't interested in the SEC.

We'd jump in a second if the Big 10 came calling.

ND is the key.

Big 10 goes after ND first.

ND says yes. Big 10 is finished with it's expanion.

ND says no. Big 10 is looking to expand to 16. Looking into major TV markets.

Atlanta and GT are a good fit.

It's all about $ needed to run top athletic programs.

Shared $ with the big 10 is :biggthumpup:

Geographic regions aren't as big of a deal. TV markets and the $ with them are.

Sometimes things in life don't stay the same.
 
i would rather watch a big 10 game than a SEC game any day of the week.
 
The SEC is considered a regional conference whereas the Big X is considered a National conference. Big diff w/r to media dollars. Besides, there are some limitations to the advertising you can market to the SEC fan base that you don't encounter with the Big X fan base. Walmart can only run so may commercials before there's just no more redneck money to separate them from.
 
00Burdell said:
The SEC is considered a regional conference whereas the Big X is considered a National conference. Big diff w/r to media dollars. Besides, there are some limitations to the advertising you can market to the SEC fan base that you don't encounter with the Big X fan base. Walmart can only run so may commercials before there's just no more redneck money to separate them from.
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00Burdell said:
The SEC is considered a regional conference whereas the Big X is considered a National conference.
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So the Big 10 has 8 states and the SEC has 9... The Big 10 is a midwest conference and the SEC is obviously a southeastern conference. The midwest probably doesn't care a lot about the ACC or SEC and we don't care very much about the Big 10. I don't understand how this makes for a "national" conference.
 
GTDan21 said:
So the Big 10 has 8 states and the SEC has 9... The Big 10 is a midwest conference and the SEC is obviously a southeastern conference. The midwest probably doesn't care a lot about the ACC or SEC and we don't care very much about the Big 10. I don't understand how this makes for a "national" conference.
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The Big Televen has more alumni spread out over the whole country. Alumni of SEC programs tend to stay in the southeast. Also, there's more out-migration from the rust belt states of the Big Televen to the rest of the country than from the southeast to the rest of the country, so you have (for example) Ohio State fans who aren't alumni who've moved elsewhere to find a job but remain Buckeye fans. It's not a geography thing that makes the Big Televen more national, it's a people thing.
 
jj06 said:
i would rather watch a big 10 game than a SEC game any day of the week.
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Why?? Do you really care who wins the big Northwestern-Minnesota showdown? Why would you care about Ohio State and Michigan over watching Florida-Georgia or Auburn-Alabama? CFB is by nature a regional sport until December and January, so who cares who wins matchups outside the southeast?
 
Dan, it is because the Big 10 alumni and fans flee their states where the SEC alumni do not. Both new graduates and retirees. Combine that movement with the populations of the Big 10 universities and states and you have more interest in Big 10 sports in non-big 10 states than you do for SEC outside of Dixie.

The number of SEC alumni in Wisconsin is a handful. The number of Wisconsin alumni in California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, et.al.. is substantial.
 
GTDan21 said:
Why?? Do you really care who wins the big Northwestern-Minnesota showdown? Why would you care about Ohio State and Michigan over watching Florida-Georgia or Auburn-Alabama? CFB is by nature a regional sport until December and January, so who cares who wins matchups outside the southeast?
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actually, i do.
I'm not brainwashed into the SEC hype like a lot of folks. It's just my preference. I'd raher watch Penn State-Michigan State or Wisconsin-Minnesota than a SEC game
 
GTDan21 said:
So the Big 10 has 8 states and the SEC has 9... The Big 10 is a midwest conference and the SEC is obviously a southeastern conference. The midwest probably doesn't care a lot about the ACC or SEC and we don't care very much about the Big 10. I don't understand how this makes for a "national" conference.
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The question isn't whether football fans in the SE care about the Big X or whether fans in Big X country care about the Southeast - its which conference are fans in neither the SE or MW more interested in.

The answer is the Big X.

Not that one anecdote means anything but here in Washington DC - represented by THREE ACC teams with one being the "hometown" team, if an ACC game is ever pitted against a Big X game for a single time slot, the affiliates here ALWAYS - without exception - show the Big X game.

Its about the national distribution of the fan base. And the Big X pretty also pretty much has the left coast sewn up with its history with the PAC 10.

The SEC is big in the SE and respected elsewhere but the Big X would swallow it whole from a marketing and fan base perspective at the national level.
 
00Burdell said:
The question isn't whether football fans in the SE care about the Big X or whether fans in Big X country care about the Southeast - its which conference are fans in neither the SE or MW more interested in.

The answer is the Big X.

Not that one anecdote means anything but here in Washington DC - represented by THREE ACC teams with one being the "hometown" team, if an ACC game is ever pitted against a Big X game for a single time slot, the affiliates here ALWAYS - without exception - show the Big X game.

Its about the national distribution of the fan base. And the Big X pretty also pretty much has the left coast sewn up with its history with the PAC 10.

The SEC is big in the SE and respected elsewhere but the Big X would swallow it whole from a marketing and fan base perspective at the national level.
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Let me add that the Big Ten has very rabid fans who absolutely love their conference.

Also, there are a ton of Big Ten fans who migrate south for the winter and often retire south permanently. They are all over the place, hence carry their conference well nationally.

I would miss FSU, Clemson, Miami and North Carolina in football, and UNC, Duke, and MD in basketball, but that's about it. (Of course I really don't miss FSU because we never get to play them! Idiot ACC.) I'd get over it when we're playing in the Outback Bowl and Clemson is playing in El Paso.

By the way, the Big Ten finishes a week earlier than others. We could have the Big Ten Championship in Atlanta Thanksgiving Saturday.
 
GTTerrific said:
From what I know which is very little ;)........

GT isn't interested in the SEC.

We'd jump in a second if the Big 10 came calling.

ND is the key.

Big 10 goes after ND first.

ND says yes. Big 10 is finished with it's expanion.

ND says no. Big 10 is looking to expand to 16. Looking into major TV markets.

Atlanta and GT are a good fit.

It's all about $ needed to run top athletic programs.

Shared $ with the big 10 is :biggthumpup:

Geographic regions aren't as big of a deal. TV markets and the $ with them are.

Sometimes things in life don't stay the same.
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IMO, your last line says alot. Things have changed and this Big 10 opportunity (if it happens) is unique for GT at this moment in history.

The money is paramount because GT needs it very badly. The Big 10 is a considerably higher payout than even the SEC. Joining the Big 10 would place GT is an absolutely bright national spotlight. Moving into the SEC, atention on GT would likely disappear an hour after the press conference. And I'm not sure AT ALL why we'd do anything whatsoever to support or help the SEC by closing out the Atlanta market on their behalf. Here is an opportunity to make UGAG and the SEC rue the day they rejected our request for reentry. Even now, the "feelers" they sent out ignored us for Clemson and FSU. And we could give ourselves and the Big 10 a special new recruiting tool in Georgia.

Giving GT the unique membership in the Big 10 in Atlanta would give Tech huge visibility and attention every week. Beating visiting Big 10 opponents in Atlanta will be victories for the south and southern football in general and Tech would likely get plenty of new support from southern fans in general.

IMHO, we need to focus on the future not the past. What happened in the 1940's, and 50's is ancient history. The media and electronic age has created new opportunities for GT in the Big 10 - even beyond the money. GT can take advantage of its academic AND athletics reputations if we focus on the 21st century and shrink the georgraphic differences that have separated north and south. There would be huge nationwide attention focused on Tech.

For decades I've heard Tech people complain about a northern/midwestern media bias. Well, if its true, why not make use of it? Let them give Tech the attention we've wanted all these years. IMO, CPJ would be frothing at the mouth to go to Columbus, Ann Arbor etc and beat "those people". GT in the Rose Bowl would be an utterly historic occasion. But the Big 10 also has numerous other attractive warm weather bowls as well.

IMO, Tech became a bad fit for the SEC academically and with respect to their myriad of rule breaking and bending chicanery. Demographics changed against Tech's interests back in the 60's but now the TV marketing/conference opportunities may have turned back in our favor - but only if we fully take advantage of it. And that means not slinking quietly back into the SEC as an afterthought.

But most important, we wouldn't have to worry about all that SEC speed.:laugher:
 
Robert E. Bee said:
For decades I've heard Tech people complain about a northern/midwestern media bias. Well, if its true, why not make use of it? Let them give Tech the attention we've wanted all these years. IMO, CPJ would be frothing at the mouth to go to Columbus, Ann Arbor etc and beat "those people". GT in the Rose Bowl would be an utterly historic occasion.
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Very well said.

This is starting to look like not such a bad idea.
 
Robert E. Bee said:
IMO, your last line says alot. Things have changed and this Big 10 opportunity (if it happens) is unique for GT at this moment in history.

The money is paramount because GT needs it very badly. The Big 10 is a considerably higher payout than even the SEC. Joining the Big 10 would place GT is an absolutely bright national spotlight. Moving into the SEC, atention on GT would likely disappear an hour after the press conference. And I'm not sure AT ALL why we'd do anything whatsoever to support or help the SEC by closing out the Atlanta market on their behalf. Here is an opportunity to make UGAG and the SEC rue the day they rejected our request for reentry. Even now, the "feelers" they sent out ignored us for Clemson and FSU. And we could give ourselves and the Big 10 a special new recruiting tool in Georgia.

Giving GT the unique membership in the Big 10 in Atlanta would give Tech huge visibility and attention every week. Beating visiting Big 10 opponents in Atlanta will be victories for the south and southern football in general and Tech would likely get plenty of new support from southern fans in general.

IMHO, we need to focus on the future not the past. What happened in the 1940's, and 50's is ancient history. The media and electronic age has created new opportunities for GT in the Big 10 - even beyond the money. GT can take advantage of its academic AND athletics reputations if we focus on the 21st century and shrink the georgraphic differences that have separated north and south. There would be huge nationwide attention focused on Tech.

For decades I've heard Tech people complain about a northern/midwestern media bias. Well, if its true, why not make use of it? Let them give Tech the attention we've wanted all these years. IMO, CPJ would be frothing at the mouth to go to Columbus, Ann Arbor etc and beat "those people". GT in the Rose Bowl would be an utterly historic occasion. But the Big 10 also has numerous other attractive warm weather bowls as well.

IMO, Tech became a bad fit for the SEC academically and with respect to their myriad of rule breaking and bending chicanery. Demographics changed against Tech's interests back in the 60's but now the TV marketing/conference opportunities may have turned back in our favor - but only if we fully take advantage of it. And that means not slinking quietly back into the SEC as an afterthought.

But most important, we wouldn't have to worry about all that SEC speed.:laugher:
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Good lord. Not again. If I agree with you once more, I'm going to have myself committed.
 
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