TCU and expansion...

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If the academics don't fit, TCU won't make it into the ACC no matter what we want. It's the presidents voting and they're not just looking at athletics and TV dollars.
There are worse academic fits being bandied about (USF, UCF, WVU), but TCU isn't a great (or probably even good) academic fit. No clue on their ranking, just basing it off my general feel for academics as an academic.
 

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I actually had no idea of TCU's football history. How are their academics? That's gonna matter.
I think they're a well respected liberal arts university. They have a very highly rated teaching program, but that's nothing terribly special to brag about.
I think they're like a redneck Wake Forest with Jesus and slightly weaker academics.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if they stuck with east coast schools only. That makes the most sense to me.
 

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Why doesn't everyone keeping throwing PSU out there?
PSU isn't going anywhere.

The best you can get is ND+1.
You'll likely get Uconn and Rutgers.

You won't get UCF or USF - We already have 2 schools in FL.

You won't get ECU - We already have 4 schools in NC

You might get Louisville? Maybe Cincinnati? Gives you a foot in Ohio and Kentucky.

You won't get WV.
 

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There are worse academic fits being bandied about (USF, UCF, WVU), but TCU isn't a great (or probably even good) academic fit. No clue on their ranking, just basing it off my general feel for academics as an academic.
TCU is ranked #97 in the country. That's well below average but better than NCSU and FSU (tied at 101).
 

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Your shtick is old, FWIW.

The fact that they have a detailed Wiki article can't hide the fact that outside of Gary Patterson they have been a mediocre team in a miserable conference for a long, long time.
No offense, but BOR is right here. Saying that TCU has been decent in football only for the last 10 years pretty much blows all your credibility, not to mention that their history (great until the 1960s, revival in the 1990s-2000s) generally follows the trend of another school we are all quite partial to.

Just admit you are wrong and have no sense of football history, and we may let you back to the grownups table.
 

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Agreed. We can all say that this is about TV money and footprints etc. and not about academics or culture... but in WV's case, no way the ACC even gives a drunken glance in their direction.



I don't think the ACC wants WVU. Besides, we get enough exposure to inbreeding when we play UGay every year.
 

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Why doesn't everyone keeping throwing PSU out there?
PSU isn't going anywhere.

The best you can get is ND+1.
You'll likely get Uconn and Rutgers.

You won't get UCF or USF - We already have 2 schools in FL.

You won't get ECU - We already have 4 schools in NC

You might get Louisville? Maybe Cincinnati? Gives you a foot in Ohio and Kentucky.

You won't get WV.
Re Penn St, there have been a number of newspaper articles calling for them to go to the ACC. Probably still a pipe dream, but some Penn St fans and beat writers are calling for a move. They associate themselves more with the east coast and have an appreciation for the rivalries they'd revive with a move to the ACC (Pitt, BC, Syracuse, etc.), especially if we land ND.

EDIT - I like Louisville and Cincy for continued focus on BBall if we can't land some of the bigger FBall fish. Not sure where I come out on them v. TCU.
 

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TCU and Notre Dame = my dream scenario #2


Dream Scenario #1 = Penn State and Notre Dame

Dream Scenario #3 = Notre Dame and UCONN

Dream Scenario #4 = Notre Dame and BYU

Dream Scenario #5 = TCU and BYU
I think I'd bump up Notre Dame and UConn to #2. BYU isn't going to happen (Utah is a bit far and they made a calculated decision to be independent).

I'd rather have TCU than Rutgers though.
 

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Your shtick is old, FWIW.

The fact that they have a detailed Wiki article can't hide the fact that outside of Gary Patterson they have been a mediocre team in a miserable conference for a long, long time.
They have a better ten year showing than we do. 2 BCS bowls (1-1) they have more tradition and history as a football program than most everyone in the ACC currently minus 3-4 teams. I mean how more wrong can you be based on your original reply? Outside of a 15 year period where they bounced around in öööö conferences (we have the same its called 1968-1983), they've been pretty relevant.
 

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To do this again:

National Rankings USNWR undergraduate overall academics:

Duke - #10
ND - #19
UVA - #25
Wake - #25
UNC - #29
BC - #31
GT - # 36
Miami - #38
UT - #45
PSU - #45

Maryland - #55
Pitt - #58
UConn - #58
Syracuse - #62
Clemson - #68
Rutgers - #68
Virginia Tech - #71
TCU - #97
Florida State - #101
NC State - #101
Cincinnati - #143
WVU - #164
Louisville - #164

UCF - #174
USF - #181
 

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Your shtick is old, FWIW.

The fact that they have a detailed Wiki article can't hide the fact that outside of Gary Patterson they have been a mediocre team in a miserable conference for a long, long time.
So you're basically complaining that they're us?
 

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No offense, but BOR is right here. Saying that TCU has been decent in football only for the last 10 years pretty much blows all your credibility, not to mention that their history (great until the 1960s, revival in the 1990s-2000s) generally follows the trend of another school we are all quite partial to.

Just admit you are wrong and have no sense of football history, and we may let you back to the grownups table.
:rolleyes:

I have no sense of football history because I didn't take into consideration that one random team won a couple championships in the 30's? Give me a break.

If Tech had fallen to the levels of a mid major conference for 5 decades then I might agree with your assessment, but they didn't.

Nobody has answered my question though...what happens to TCU when Patterson leaves?
 

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Why does everyone want UCONN? Their football team will stink since their coach left, and the basketball team is a bunch of cheaters.
 

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I guess if you really think the ACC is on par with the MWC or the WAC, then ya.
My point was that from the mid 60s til the late 80s Tech did basically nothing on a national level. Since the 90s in particular we've been much better but have not reached the level TCU has over the last decade.
 

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:rolleyes:

I have no sense of football history because I didn't take into consideration that one random team won a couple championships in the 30's? Give me a break.

If Tech had fallen to the levels of a mid major conference for 5 decades then I might agree with your assessment, but they didn't.

Nobody has answered my question though...what happens to TCU when Patterson leaves?
Mid major for 5 decades? Try 15 years dummy. You're making it really hard to reason with a jackass. What happens when PJ leaves? What happens if Richt leaves? No one ööööing knows. Why is Patterson relevant? TCU in the ACC is going to give that program one big shot of adrenaline in the arm. They will definitely improve their recruiting and they're in Texas. Kind of scary.
 
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