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JWE37

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I am not sure talent is the issue.

I Johnson was recruited by several top schools.

Attoachu was recruited by several top schools

Young switched to GT from Stanford

Noble, Sweeting, Golden, Hunt days, menocal, and many others were recruited by B1G, SEC, and opposing ACC schools.

It has to be coaching. You guys are just pinpointed on they aren't good enough but their recruiting lists beg to differ.
Defensively, front 7 is atrocious. Coaching is bad too.

Offensively, Vad needs to start so he can get into a flow.
 

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At what point do we say 'we are getting better?' With little or no expectations to be successful is getting ridiculous. After reading the post today, 70% wants a regime change. Yes, we have backed into the ACC, put once again we will have poor representation by our fan base, and most likely a loss. Half the blame is on us as fans.
 

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You are missing something that sa(b)an, richt, miles, kelly, etc. all know. Without top notch DL's, the rest of the D talent isn't that big of a deal. Where are the great DL's we have? Right now, they are non-existent. One almost guy is playing tonight for the Irish.
Kallon, Gotsis (sp?)
 

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Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Shouldn't've lost to VT, UM, MTSU or BYU for that matter besides the fact that we did because we suck. Defense and STs are killers. Offense has been no jewel regardless of the rather fortunate stats. I'm blaming it on rebuilding. CPJ had a quirky thing happen taking CCG's guys and winning right away. The last three seasons have been true rebuilding pains. It is what it is whatever it is and next year we'll see or something like that.
 

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Tax jacket, for someone who's posts I typically either love or hate, I have to say I agree with the OP 100%. As bad as we've been, we've been just a few breaks away from beating vpi and Miami and winning the coastal outright, we're still in the ACCCG and an ensuing bowl. I am ---- proud of the effort that this Tech team has displayed, constant grit and fight the whole way. As long as they're still trying, I'm still caring.
 

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Look, PJ is going to be here for AT LEAST 2 more years. You may as well give the guy a shot to fix the defense and STs. If not its going to be miserable for you and you'll try to find every little thing wrong.

Get on board, get your head out of yours asses and look forward to the future. GT can still win the ACC no matter how crappily they do it and win a bowl game.

Even if they don't have a little faith men.
 

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40% of the other teams in our division are excluded from post-season play. We only had to finish ahead of the worst VT team in recent history. In reality it wasn't that Tech exceeded expectations, it was that VT was far worse than expected.
We were 5-3 in conference. We lead every ACC game in the 4th quarter. We just didn't finish. I think we are closer to good than most think. But it won't mean ---- is we can't improve on 2/3 of our team. Well, ST return unitl is the best in years, so we only need to improve the defensive side of every unit. That is a mentality problem. Man we need a dc with some swagger. Groh's wait and see attitude has got to be burned out of this team.
 

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it doesnt seem to me like there is any trend throughout the team, more just some good and some bad.

the thing that bothers me is that the team hasnt really shown a trend to improve; and that we seem to play flat and without emotion, extreme effort, and maybe even pride

i dont like that at all. if you are out-manned, then step in there and take the hit and the game is over in a few hours. you have to show up. we have in some games but too often it seems like the team is not really running on "high". ours need to go to 11 if we are gonna have a shot against any good team
 

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Yes, because GT is running a crappy 3-4 which takes special types of DLs that GT has to try and compete with Bama, UGA, UF, and ND. That can be hung on PJ for trying it. GT cannot recruit the big ass 3-4 guys with so many big programs with little to none admission requirements.

That's the truth. GT needs to go back to the 4-3 to compete with DL prospects.
Defensively, front 7 is atrocious. Coaching is bad too.

Offensively, Vad needs to start so he can get into a flow.
Our d backfield is horrible too. The tackling is atrocious. Jemea Thomas is the only player on defense that may play elsewhere.
 

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Tax jacket, for someone who's posts I typically either love or hate, I have to say I agree with the OP 100%. As bad as we've been, we've been just a few breaks away from beating vpi and Miami and winning the coastal outright, we're still in the ACCCG and an ensuing bowl. I am ---- proud of the effort that this Tech team has displayed, constant grit and fight the whole way. As long as they're still trying, I'm still caring.
This

We are still very competitive in the ACC. Most of our major in conference games are a break or or two away from a W or L. But, most of these W or L are defensive struggles which, God willing, will sort them seleves out with new DC / player development / miracle.

Even though we have backed into the ACCCG I'll still take it.
 

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This

We are still very competitive in the ACC. Most of our major in conference games are a break or or two away from a W or L. But, most of these W or L are defensive struggles which, God willing, will sort them seleves out with new DC / player development / miracle.

Even though we have backed into the ACCCG I'll still take it.
Lol...nice avatar
 

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Our d backfield is horrible too. The tackling is atrocious. Jemea Thomas is the only player on defense that may play elsewhere.
My main point is that many of those players that aren't living up to potential isn't because of their talent. GT is not starting any two star players on defense. NONE. All 3 or above and that means all are capable of Div 1 talent.

It's coaching folks. We need a good fundamentally sound, though DC.
 

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My main point is that many of those players that aren't living up to potential isn't because of their talent. GT is not starting any two star players on defense. NONE. All 3 or above and that means all are capable of Div 1 talent.

It's coaching folks. We need a good fundamentally sound, though DC.
So, everyone of our D linemen were unanimous 3 star guys?? If so, I will agree with you, but I think not. I don't think Nealy was even a 3 star with all 3 rating services.
 

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So, everyone of our D linemen were unanimous 3 star guys?? If so, I will agree with you, but I think not. I don't think Nealy was even a 3 star with all 3 rating services.
Yes. They were. Every one of them.

If you guys are going to blame recruiting at least know the facts and the perceived talent levels of players by experts.
 

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Yes. They were. Every one of them.

If you guys are going to blame recruiting at least know the facts and the perceived talent levels of players by experts.
Scout, Rivals and ESPN had barnes, dieke, cross, nealy, and watts all at 3 stars?

Time to do some research.
 

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Scout, Rivals and ESPN had barnes, dieke, cross, nealy, and watts all at 3 stars?

Time to do some research.
Guys three stars doesn't mean much. When we talk talent in bcs conf most have 3 stars. The good teams are 4 stars. We are never 4 and mainly 3 and 2. Well so is vandy and duke. We have far too little four stars. I am not even asking for five. But more 4. It is not unreasonable to have 4-5 4 star a class. Unc had 8 4 stars in 2011. I just want half that. Not asking for much and we can do better

3 stars in nowadays rankings mean little. Most of ours stink.
 

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So, everyone of our D linemen were unanimous 3 star guys?? If so, I will agree with you, but I think not. I don't think Nealy was even a 3 star with all 3 rating services.
Not all three stars are created equally. That's where good player evaluation comes into play and we hired a guy that hasn't ever really recruited. That isn't a slam on CPJ, he just literally never had to seriously recruit and it shows.
 

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Not all three stars are created equally. That's where good player evaluation comes into play and we hired a guy that hasn't ever really recruited. That isn't a slam on CPJ, he just literally never had to seriously recruit and it shows.
Yes, I made this point in another thread. For example, there is a huge difference in the first 3 star not given the 4th star vs the last guy given a 3 star rating.

And yes, 33, we do need to avg about four 4 star guys per class. I agree.
 
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