I think CPJ would be better off as an OC

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This is my first comment since the game. I wanted to think, give my blood pressure a chance to come down and view the travesty of yesterday in a reasonable perspective. I wrote and clicked 'Back' several times yesterday not wishing to spew some toxic venom into a pot already brimming over with it.

My conclusion about things is that CPJ should go back to being an offensive coordinator.

I don't think he's cut out to be the head coach of a major program. He lacks the skill set to build and manage an organization. He's a brilliant coach but I do not believe he can work through the problems that are preventing our program from rising to its full potential.

I wish that were not the case. I'm not posting this simply because we got our teeth kicked in by a clearly superior team. I've suspected this for years and looking over our program from top to bottom, I just don't think he knows how to solve our problems.

Our staff is a mess. While it is easy to highlight and discuss the talent gap between us and more successful programs, its not so obvious that the same gap exists in our coaching staff that I would describe as a cobbled together patchwork of journeyman coaches. I'm sure they work hard and are very dedicated - but that is not enough to mount a challenge to top ten programs.

Whether its UGa, our opponent in the ACCCG or our opponent in the BCS or whatever the BCS turns into, we cannot run from the fact that our serious weaknesses are not exposed while playing in the ACC. Its not until we venture out and play top teams from other conferences that we find out what we are made of and what we apparently aren't made of.

I've seen enough. I will hate the day we lose CPJ - he's one of the most talented coaches we've had on this campus in its 100+ year history. But he can't do this by himself and there is no one on his staff that can fill the void. I'll support our program like I always do but I've taken my expectations down a few notches and I don't think I should have to.
 
00Burdell said:
I've seen enough. I will hate the day we lose CPJ - he's one of the most talented coaches we've had on this campus in its 100+ year history. But he can't do this by himself and there is no one on his staff that can fill the void. I'll support our program like I always do but I've taken my expectations down a few notches and I don't think I should have to.
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If a guy can coach but can't recruit - then he is not head coach material. Similarly, if he can coach but is not an effective evaluator and recruiter of assistants - then he is not head coach material.If a guy signs top 20 recruiting classes but doesn't win, etc.The buck stops at the head coach's office.A head coach is responsible for every single facet of the program.

I don't think the guys who end up getting fired ever truly can understand/fix the root causes of their performance issues. I am sure it is not for lack of effort because they all put in long hours.
 
00Burdell said:
He's a brilliant coach but I do not believe he can work through the problems that are preventing our program from rising to its full potential.
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What do you believe to be our program's full potential?
 
CocaBuzz said:
Whose a better head coach Mark Richt or Paul Johnson?
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Richt is probably one of the top ten coaches in the nation.

eg1 said:
Who wins if they swap players?
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Irrelevant, this isn't the NFL. The players on the team are largely a function of the head coach.

That said, if Richt coached here I think this would just be a stepping stone job for him because you can't have a consistently top ten caliber program with our restrictions. Someone like him would probably stay long enough to get us top 25 with maybe one serious run into nation title contention then leave for an SEC school.
 
Doesn't matter. Richt would have better players if he was coaching GT. And PJ would have worse players if he was coaching UGA. The swap would be so big that I think there would be a parity in talent. I still don't think we win 50% of the time vs UGA in a coach swap.
 
eg1 said:
Who wins if they swap players?
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Whoever's at Georgia wins if they swap players.

CPJ probably would have won at least one national championship if he had a decade at UGA under his belt.
 
CocaBuzz said:
Whose a better head coach Mark Richt or Paul Johnson?
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Obviously Richt. If you say otherwise, you don't know football.

Our 2 minute offense is from the 1930's, our defense has been steadily declining under Johnson's watch, we rarely show up in big games, Richt has far superior PR skills than Johnson, and the list goes on...
 
cajunjacket said:
Obviously Richt. If you say otherwise, you don't know football.

Our 2 minute offense is from the 1930's, our defense has been steadily declining under Johnson's watch, we rarely show up in big games, Richt has far superior PR skills than Johnson, and the list goes on...
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How about this? My dog has better PR skills than CPJ, and I don't even have a dog
 
Richt is obviously the more accomplished head coach. That does not mean he is a better football coach, for he does have incredible resources, great conference affiliation, and brand recognition going for him at UGA. But, UGA gave him his first chance to lead a program on the biggest stage and he has proven up to the challenge.

That said, Paul Johnson has been a successful head coach at Georgia Southern, Navy and Georgia Tech. Here at Tech I wish he would strengthen his staff so that we could see improved recruiting and player development. There have been successful head coaches who call their own plays and serve as an offensive coordinator as well as head man. Spurrier likes this approach and he has had success. But, usually, the best head coaches get coordinators they can trust to make decisions the way the head coach would want them made. They then can be a more overall leader of every facet of the program. I wish CPJ would consider this. But, even if he resists having an offensice coordinator, his staff needs to improve.
 
killerbuzz42 said:
What do you believe to be our program's full potential?
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Bobby Ross pretty much summed it up when he told a reporter that what you do is make sure you get to the point where you are in the top 20 every year and then, one year, all the breaks go your way.

So I would say that our potential is the same as it is for anyone else - be in a position such that the only thing between losing 1-3 games a year and going undefeated is a couple breaks here and there going your way.

But, it seems to me, that not only are we not 'there' but with each passing year, 'there' is further and further away from 'here.'
 
00Burdell said:
Bobby Ross pretty much summed it up when he told a reporter that what you do is make sure you get to the point where you are in the top 20 every year and then, one year, all the breaks go your way.

So I would say that our potential is the same as it is for anyone else - be in a position such that the only thing between losing 1-3 games a year and going undefeated is a couple breaks here and there going your way.
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Totally disagree with the bolded part

Where you (and I) want us to be and where our potential as a program currently tops out are very different places IMO. That is becoming more evident each year as we move further from our fantastic, yet tallest midget-type year in 2009.

Put me in the crowd that believes that our football program's potential is handicapped by our admission standards as well as our public perception as a bunch of condescending nerd-jerks, especially when compared to the perennial top 20 programs
 
beej67 said:
Whoever's at Georgia wins if they swap players.

CPJ probably would have won at least one national championship if he had a decade at UGA under his belt.
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+1

CPJ with UGA's current players beats Mark Richt with GT's current players 99 out of 100 times.

I firmly believe that if CPJ was the head coach of Alabama, UGA, Florida State, Florida, Southern Cal, Ohio State, or any other powerhouse, he would win a national championship within 5 years. His biggest problem right now is recruiting, but that is more of a GT problem than a PJ problem. If he finds a way to start bringing in a few 4 or 5 star playmakers every year, we will start winning 10 games consistently and become that type of program that Bobby Ross was referring to.
 
johncu said:
+1

CPJ with UGA's current players beats Mark Richt with GT's current players 99 out of 100 times.

I firmly believe that if CPJ was the head coach of Alabama, UGA, Florida State, Florida, Southern Cal, Ohio State, or any other powerhouse, he would win a national championship within 5 years. His biggest problem right now is recruiting, but that is more of a GT problem than a PJ problem. If he finds a way to start bringing in a few 4 or 5 star playmakers every year, we will start winning 10 games consistently and become that type of program that Bobby Ross was referring to.
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Implying CPJ would get the same players to UGA that Richt does currently. Implying Richt wouldn't get better players to GT than CPJ does currently.

Stay delusional.
 
goodbyte said:
Implying CPJ would get the same players to UGA that Richt does currently. Implying Richt wouldn't get better players to GT than CPJ does currently.

Stay delusional.
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Implying that you know without doubt how either of those situations would play out

Stay delusional
 
johncu said:
+1

CPJ with UGA's current players beats Mark Richt with GT's current players 99 out of 100 times.

I firmly believe that if CPJ was the head coach of Alabama, UGA, Florida State, Florida, Southern Cal, Ohio State, or any other powerhouse, he would win a national championship within 5 years. His biggest problem right now is recruiting, but that is more of a GT problem than a PJ problem. If he finds a way to start bringing in a few 4 or 5 star playmakers every year, we will start winning 10 games consistently and become that type of program that Bobby Ross was referring to.
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Do you not think there is a skill to recruiting the players that Mark Richt currently has? There are plenty of schools with as-high or higher profiles than U[sic]GA which aren't nearly as successful. A very significant portion of being a head coach in college is getting players to come to your school. It doesn't matter what you would do with great players if you can't get them.

Obviously there is going to be a talent gap between U[sic]GA and GT no matter who is coaching. But I think to assume that CPJ would have the same players at U[sic]GA that Mark Richt currently has is a wild assumption. We still don't know if he can get the same level of players to GT that Chan Gailey did.
 
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