Cover Up

law_bee

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it's hard to weigh in on something like this when you don't know the facts.

You hope people use good judgement but I have seen some pretty high up people do stupid things.

I am just going to take a wait and see attitude.
 

cyclejacket

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In Fairness To the AJC ........

I will note that the good-news scholarship story ran on the first page of the sports section and the lawsuit story was back on page four or so.
 

YodaBee

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yep. This is nothing like Jan Kemp because

Georgia never lost any scholarships because of Jan Kemp. We have already lost 12 scholarships and several years worth of wins.

Ours may not have the seedy quotes and total number of players, but it's already worse from the punishment standpoint.

Wes Durham confirmed when it happened that our "violations" started in the early 1990s, but the NCAA and GT agreed that it was too confusing and complicated to track the charges beyond 1998.

I think this will go away quietly once a big money contributor pays this guy some hush money. The sooner this happens the better.

yoda
 

floridajacket

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This "wrongful termination" happened in July 2005, while the alledged meeting happened in June 2003 and the tip was give in January 2004. Two Scenarios make sense. The first one runs like this: something had to happen for him to be terminated. He had some disagreements with the people there, personality conflicts, whatever. He had such problems with the GTAA that he's become hell bent on ruining them like many guys are with ex-girlfriends, even to the point of making something up in a suit. It's hard to imagine, but just remember how Clarett acted after leaving Ohio State, making all sorts of allegations which no one really takes seriously.

The second scenario says that he's like Kemp, certianly not in degree but in kind. He's telling the truth, spoke up about what was going on and was shot down for it. Then he gave the tip seven months later, which eventually led down the road for his termination. It's premature to say which one, if either, is true. Perhaps only him, Braine, Clough and New will ever know the truth. I just really, really, really hope the latter isn't true.
 

gtyellowjackets

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Re: YodaBee PLEASE...

Since the ealry 1990's. Please. Let's extrapolate out from 1993 to 1998 (a period that wasn't tested). OK that's another 17 athletes over the same number of years. Come on people! This is 17 SA's out of 500ish! And this is 17 who didn't take enough of the required courses towards their major. When I was an SA in the mid to late 1980's no one ever checked my progression. It was left up to me. I would never have known whether I was in compliance or not. I never heard the topic mentioned to be aware of it. So this problem has been going on forever. Don't blame the current administation.

One more point. Do regular Tech students have someone checking to see if they are making enough headway in their major? Of course not. I'll be the % of the student body that is behind in their progression towards their major is something like 20%.

So to say there is corruption because of this is ludicrous! If so the corruption was going on well into the Homer Rice era. And we know he was so corrupt (sic). Please! Give me a break. The NCAA has heard the ENTIRE story from Ollivette. They sure didn't feel there was a cover up.
 

Buzzed

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You know I resent this being compared to the Jan Kemp thing, even if it's just speculation. Jan Kemp involved humdreds of athletes that stayed in remedial basketweaving for years and never recieved any hours towards graduation. Jan Kemp was about giving 'A's to SA's who never attended class and keeping illiterate players eligible for 4 years. The UGAy athletic program was as corrupt as any in the country at the time.

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For what it's worth, the Jan Kemp academic charges were never about a NCAA violation; only about allowing kids to stay in the Remdial Program, just like ours and mandated by the State of Georgia, for longer that the school's policy of allowing a course to be repeated no more than four times. The State's Remedial Program was simply a program the state came up with to give kids that came from weaker high schools a chance to catch up with the kids from better schools once they got into the University System of the State of Georgia. Of course in those days, there were basically no NCAA academic criteria for any school , either in admissions or eligibility. As I recall, Kemp was mad that she was fired after altering someone above her that a student was allowed to take a course for the 5th time.... :) She sued for wrongful termination and won.
 

gtyellowjackets

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Maybe I misunderstand you but there was never a Remedial studies program at Tech.

Back then all SA's were required to pass, at a minimum, 12 hrs per quarter (and 40 hours per year, I think) to stay eligible. This was at all Div I schools. The joke about the UGAy program was that there was no progression required to remain eligible AND the remedial studies program had originally only been allowed for first year students. This got seriously abused when players such as Domonique Wilkins took 12 hours worth of PE every quarter and had three hours towards graduating at the end of three years.

You are correct in saying that the NCAA gave no sanctions at the time for those type of infractions. but I do believe UGAy got an overall "major" probation violation for that which was serious because a second "could" lead to the death penalty. At the time everyone could see what was hapening to SMU...
 

bizzybee

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Nothing related to Braine, Clough would surprise me. When they allowed all those players to play those games while not qualified just made me nauseous and I have been angry at Braine and Co. ever since. It will be refreshing to get that whole crew out of there and re-establish our clean programs.
 

ncjacket

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So are you mad that ineligible players played prior to Braine being on campus? It's pretty much understood this had been happening for some time, probably early 90s. So who's fault was it before Braine got here...Homer's? So are you angry at him too? From what I've ready, GTAA had a hand in the problem, but sounds to me like it was the Registrar's office primarily. But don't let something as minor as facts get in the way of your hatred.
 

hiveredtech

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I think it is just time some people get over it and move on.

It is over with. Whatever lesser penalty we get after the appeal...accept it...do it...then put it do bed.
 
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