Who would do better at GT than Paul Johnson?

BarrelORum said:
This argument was already had 6 years ago when people didn't want to fire Chan Gailey. You CANNOT be afraid of possibly moving backwards in your attempts to improve your current situation otherwise you'll never get to where you want to be. Period.

If you think Johnson has recruited to his full potential and coached to his full potential given the restrictions we have in place, then you have a point. But he hasn't. Really it hasn't even been close.

The school itself needs to be the first to make changes. And they need to be made immediately. Once that is done, the coaching needs to be addressed too because currently the coaching of this team is horrible. I repeat, HORRIBLE. So yes, I think we can do better but change needs to be made in two places and the coach is secondary to the school handicapping our athletics.
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+1


1) Trying to do better means risking doing worse. But that is not an excuse not to try.


2) Coaching searches are not conducted by amateur fans with awareness only of well known coaches at other FBS schools, and for good reason. We have examples of success and failure from all sorts of situations: HS coaches moving up to FBS, assistants from the NFL, past coaching failures redeeming themselves ( we also have past coaching successes falling flat )


It is safe to bet that there is no great prospect out there who could turn things around at GT and also be content to stay at GT for the rest of their career. But, again that is no excuse not to look for that prospect and worry about a replacement when that time comes.


Having said that, I can give CPJ another year to prove his arrogance is justified. Right now I see him as a coach that bought into the hype of his own football genius. He needs some humility and a personal reality check about the fine line between gutsy and stupid.
 
If it's 7 wins again in 14, I would make the move.

Promote Roof, and go and get Brent Key from UCF for OL and see if Godsey will be OC.
If you wanted to go out on a limb you pick up Chad Morris at HC, but even if we could hire him, it would be a short term rental.
 
GTBandit22 said:
If it's 7 wins again in 14, I would make the move.

Promote Roof, and go and get Brent Key from UCF for OL and see if Godsey will be OC.
If you wanted to go out on a limb you pick up Chad Morris at HC, but even if we could hire him, it would be a short term rental.
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Key has already declined to work for Pawl. He wants to be HC, but will take OC. He will get there.

He does appreciate the ease of recruiting to places not GT.
 
boozinbuzz said:
As things currently stand at GT, I think the Clemson model would be best here. Hire a HC that is high energy, good recruiter/cheerleader/face of the program guy and then hire coordinators for the X's and O's.

Both Chan and Paul had little recruiting experience in a BCS conference and it took them way too long to hit stride. I don't believe that there aren't enough smart football players out there that could handle GT.
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Then where have they been the past 40+ years? At least 9 or 10 staffs haven't been able to find them. I think your CU model is a good one, but only if "exceptions" are allowed a chance to succeed. Four or five per class will probably do it. This would equate to 20 or so such players on the team after 4 years. This equates to the quality depth we have so sorely lacked (3 quality second team DL players beats ugag this year). Oh, and about that CU model, why did DR leave?

There ARE enough players who can handle Tech with the proper support, but we have to give them a chance. There probably aren't enough players in the pool that qualify academically per our current snobbish self imposed standards.

I agree with BOR about not being afraid to change out of fear of getting worse, but I also agree with a fella named Einstein about the definition of "stoopid". We have had a LOT of coaches since Dodd, and even Ross and GOL struggled a great deal with our handcuffs---and this from a period when they could recruit players that wouldn't even be allowed in for a visit now.

I'm quite concerned about what appears to be CPJ's stubborn gene, but I'm old enough to have lived through numerous coaching changes and have seen the value in CFB of stable multi-year coaching. One simple exercise the "hang the bum" crowd can do to sober up is, honestly answer the following: What would CPJ do with Gus's players and who would fsu be playing for the MNC if Gus had our players? Or----how would a former Tech DC that was slaughtered unmercifully here on ST, do somewhere else called Ole Miss with 4 & 5 star freshmen/sophomores? If this little exercise didn't do it for you, have a beer or two or three!
 
71YellowJacket said:
There is and has been since Dodd a huge gap between our expectations as fans and what is and has been possible of achieving on the football field.

Given the admission standards and still limited majors compared to every other top 25 ranked program, it would be impossible to recruit a replacement for Johnson that would stay any longer than enough time to find a better job; wherever the replacement coach went to school. Look at our history back to Dodd, coach change after coach change and the problem still remains unfixed.

Speaking as someone who was in favor of replacing Gailey and posted many opinions here expressing the same, there is no value in discussing replacing CPJ with anyone other than for self-satisfaction/abuse.
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Your post makes too much sense to get much traction around here, but thanks for it anyway. :biggthumpup:
 
Allen Koholic said:
All I want is some names. Changing everything else (The Hill, the GTAA, the academic offerings) goes without saying and would clearly help Paul Johnson as well. I said after the third straight loss to UGA that I would support changing the direction of the team.

Names. That's it. Names.
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Pete Lembo
Chad Morris
Philip Montgomery
Derek Mason
Mark Hudspeth
Tom Herman

There you go. There are some names for you.
 
Please stop bringing up GT alums and former coaches as names. The old "he understands this place" is such a moronic argument. You can barely name any success stories in recent memory when it comes to this. For every success story, there's a Dave Waanstedt, Rick Neuheisel, Charlie Weis story to go with it...so stop with the Roof, Godsey, Glenn Spencer nonsense.
 
This was an amusing thread.

I agree with BOR. Unless structural changes takes place in the Institute, we are going to have to realize that 7-8 wins is the ceiling and not the floor.

Having said that, I honestly think CPJ is the best coach for GT at this point in time. If GT were allowed to relax and add more majors, then we can look to CPJ and say, "Well coach, we loosened the rope holding your hands, now show us what you can do."

GO JACKETS!!
byteback
 
byteback said:
this was an amusing thread.

I agree with bor. Unless structural changes takes place in the institute, we are going to have to realize that 7-8 wins is the ceiling and not the floor.

Having said that, i honestly think cpj is the best coach for gt at this point in time. If gt were allowed to relax and add more majors, then we can look to cpj and say, "well coach, we loosened the rope holding your hands, show us in another 5-6 years what you can do."

go jackets!!
Byteback
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jdubjacket said:
Is this going to be one of those threads where someone puts a name out there and you laugh at it or refute it just to 'prove' that we can't do better than PJ?
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Yes, that's what he wants. You could throw a few decent names out there and this clown would refute each one.He is a Johnson defender all the way.
 
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