Biggest thing that needs fixing?

GoldZ said:
How bout an AD that will fight to remove obstacles (unnecessary ones) to winning?
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We dont know he isnt, do we? He did add support staff for football that PJ asked for but drad had rejected.
 
beej67 said:
I laugh the most at the idea that we are somehow terrible.

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GT fans could use a little perspective.
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beej67 said:
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Until then, I'll keep watching and cheering and etc, but I've reached "acceptance" stage when it comes to GT football.
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While I agree with much in the first post, I refuse to accept that we are just an average team. I don't think we should accept that. We should demand more from our athletic and education leadership. We can be great at both.

If your perspective is "acceptance," then count me out.

That being said, of the two teams in the BCS-CG, one has a qb who just had rape charges dismissed under some questionable circumstances and the other was kicked off his former team (dwags) for stealing from his teammates. Although I don't want to stoop to that level, we can certainly do better.
 
BuzzLaw said:
While I agree with much in the first post, I refuse to accept that we are just an average team. I don't think we should accept that. We should demand more from our athletic and education leadership. We can be great at both.

If your perspective is "acceptance," then count me out.

That being said, of the two teams in the BCS-CG, one has a qb who just had rape charges dismissed under some questionable circumstances and the other was kicked off his former team (dwags) for stealing from his teammates. Although I don't want to stoop to that level, we can certainly do better.
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I would feel gypped if I were a Vandy fan. They recruited criminals and didn't even win their division. At least their program is on the rise according to SECSPN.
 
HelluvaChemE said:
I especially don't get too pissed about losing to Georgia. The deck is so amazingly stacked against us.
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8 times out of 10 those games are close and winnable. Especially this year. Throw out the rankings and talent gap argument. We can beat UGA. They lose to lesser teams all the time.

beej67 said:
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You make good points but there's gotta be some area between where you stand and the "We're terrible!" crowd. There are plenty of areas for improvement with this team and this coaching staff.
 
I've been attacked for this before. We recruit in the mid-40's to mid-50's pretty much every year. Other teams, with the same or lesser talent, have done much better than us. That has nothing to do with majors, academic requirements, or anything else. CPJ's staff is simply not developing players. That's how you turn top 50 talent into top 20 results. You can whine about the "Hill" all you want, but the current head coach turns top 50 talent into about 50 results.
 
GT1992 said:
I've been attacked for this before. We recruit in the mid-40's to mid-50's pretty much every year. Other teams, with the same or lesser talent, have done much better than us. That has nothing to do with majors, academic requirements, or anything else. CPJ's staff is simply not developing players. That's how you turn top 50 talent into top 20 results. You can whine about the "Hill" all you want, but the current head coach turns top 50 talent into about 50 results.
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Rank the ACC by recruit rank on a four year running average, for the last decade, and tell me CPJ isn't doing well at coaching talent up. The numbers do not support your position.
 
BuzzLaw said:
While I agree with much in the first post, I refuse to accept that we are just an average team.

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If your perspective is "acceptance," then count me out.
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Apparently you didn't read the first post as well as you could have. Go back and read it again.
 
From 2013, the biggest thing is QB, imo. We didn't scale back our playbook because of CPJ's nerves. We scaled it back because Vad wasn't making the reads. He wasn't checking-down well in the passing game, wasn't making the zone reads well from the diamond and wasn't making the option reads well in the triple. I don't think it was a matter of couldn't as much as just wasn't. He seemed more confident in his athletic ability to make plays than in the scheme. His bad habits seemed coaching-resistant; however, I still think he was our best QB this year but question whether he would be next year even if he stayed.

I think we should be and expect to be a 9, +/- 1, win team each year. Although we were not as close to flipping the switch as I thought in 2008/2009, we're not as far from that as many on here think. With a little bit better D, we would've had 9 or 10 wins in 2011. We won 8 games, lost to UVA by 3 and lost to Utah in OT. In 2012, we won 7 but lost 2 games in OT and another with a lead in the 4th qtr.
 
beej67 said:
Rank the ACC by recruit rank on a four year running average, for the last decade, and tell me CPJ isn't doing well at coaching talent up. The numbers do not support your position.
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The article I linked correlating talent with team performance does not support your premise. Check out the list of teams and years for overperforming versus underperforming relative to their talent. CPJ is in both lists for different seasons ( as was CCG, and Richt, by the way ).

2010 was our worst "underperforming" year under Johnson based on that analysis.

The idea that he coaches up the talent at hand to maximum potential is based on prior history at other schools. At GT he has had ups and downs, even when you take the recruiting element out of the equation. And the downs have been more recent than the ups.
 
How on earth do you figure we under performed in 2010? Who'd we have that was so great? All the NFL talent bailed the previous year, and we lost our starting QB to a broken arm in the VT game - a game which, if we'd won, would have put us in the ACCCG.
 
beej67 said:
How on earth do you figure we under performed in 2010? Who'd we have that was so great? All the NFL talent bailed the previous year, and we lost our starting QB to a broken arm in the VT game - a game which, if we'd won, would have put us in the ACCCG.
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I didn't figure anything, the model did based on the deviation from average of the four year star average relative to a typical college team and what that talent level would have predicted.

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/8/19/4635732/college-football-apparent-talent-coaching-effects

You are touting an objective view to what we should have done with the talent at hand and then resorting to subjective anecdotal rebuttal when the data does not support your position.

The good news is coaching is a significant factor in success and the talent effect is not overwhelming even though it is significant. The other good news is Johnson had a track record at Navy of doing much better than the talent would predict. The bad news is recent years at GT have been meh even relative to the talent we have at hand.

There is room for improvement without changing recruiting or broadening curriculum, even though both of those factors might have more room for improvement.
 
lonestarjacket said:
I didn't figure anything, the model did based on the deviation from average of the four year star average relative to a typical college team and what that talent level would have predicted.

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/8/19/4635732/college-football-apparent-talent-coaching-effects

You are touting an objective view to what we should have done with the talent at hand and then resorting to subjective anecdotal rebuttal when the data does not support your position.

The good news is coaching is a significant factor in success and the talent effect is not overwhelming even though it is significant. The other good news is Johnson had a track record at Navy of doing much better than the talent would predict. The bad news is recent years at GT have been meh even relative to the talent we have at hand.

There is room for improvement without changing recruiting or broadening curriculum, even though both of those factors might have more room for improvement.
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But beej's point is that the 4 year star average was skewed significantly by the 2007 class, the cream of which left prior to the 2010 season. That may or may not affect other teams, but for GT that one class was a huge outlier.
 
WracerX said:
But beej's point is that the 4 year star average was skewed significantly by the 2007 class, the cream of which left prior to the 2010 season. That may or may not affect other teams, but for GT that one class was a huge outlier.
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OK, but you can't do a broad statistical analysis and selectively account for special circumstances when it suits your agenda. Are there no similar situations for the schools and teams forming the average? ( as you noted). Is it even typical that the cream of many classes leaves early?

One team and one season are not the point though. The point was looking at all the seasons since CPJ took over he underperformed, at least slightly, relative to the talent more than not, at least by this model. You would think if he was consistently coaching beyond the talent that on average the model would agree with that position most of the time.

I really bought into the hype that CPJ always coached beyond the talent available as well and was looking for support for that position. But he shows up more with Pete Carroll in USC down years and Miami who everyone assumes underperforms on a regular basis. Not horrible performance, even discounting the recruiting factor , but not exceptional either.
 
AE 87 said:
From 2013, the biggest thing is QB, imo. We didn't scale back our playbook because of CPJ's nerves. We scaled it back because Vad wasn't making the reads. He wasn't checking-down well in the passing game, wasn't making the zone reads well from the diamond and wasn't making the option reads well in the triple. I don't think it was a matter of couldn't as much as just wasn't. He seemed more confident in his athletic ability to make plays than in the scheme. His bad habits seemed coaching-resistant; however, I still think he was our best QB this year but question whether he would be next year even if he stayed.

I think we should be and expect to be a 9, +/- 1, win team each year. Although we were not as close to flipping the switch as I thought in 2008/2009, we're not as far from that as many on here think. With a little bit better D, we would've had 9 or 10 wins in 2011. We won 8 games, lost to UVA by 3 and lost to Utah in OT. In 2012, we won 7 but lost 2 games in OT and another with a lead in the 4th qtr.
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I agree with this position. And our inflated expectations ( not just fans, the media was spouting the same stuff based on the previous year's QB highlights.)

Yes, there were other problems, but those problems were not worse than they were for previous QBs.

In theory, the expectations were not unfounded. We saw the physical talent and assumed execution of the offense successful with all other QBs with less talent could certainly be learned.

The big difference last year between what most expected and what we got was the defense. The big difference this year was QB development. There were other problems, but those problems should have been expected.

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A bright spot this year was WR development. With all the defections I fully expected a train wreck at WR but they were pretty reliable when given the chance, better than the last couple of years.
 
Did you guys notice Winston struggle with the constant blitzing from Auburn Monday night in the first half? That's the Heisman trophy winner. FSU didn't change their routes until the second half for shorter slants and outs. Why it took them a half to figure it out, I don't know, I guess Fisher is a stubborn idiot, too.
Tech had a problem all year with teams destroying us by loading the box, and blitzing if we passed or ran. QB play was not the main problem. Our problem was coaching and teaching our kids to pass protect and run shorter routes. This type of defense is the blueprint right now to stop Tech.
If CPJ can't adjust his play calling and teaching to counter these stacked boxes and blitzes this off season, then good riddance. Because you could have RG III, Tebow, Vick, or Vince Young running this offense and they wouldn't be successful. We need some under center, 3 step, west coast style offense plays mixed in.
 
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