QB lost yardage

bravejason

bravejason

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I took the total yards lost by each QB and divided it by the total rushing attempts. Some of the lost yardage is attributable to QB sacks on passing plays.

Tevin was Mr. Consistency. Thomas has shown some ability to avoid lost yardage, albeit with very few attempts. 2013 Vad was the worst performance, though he probably also had the largest number of lost yards due to sacks. If I knew what those numbers were I'd removed them from the lost yardage totals.

Year Ply - Att - Loss - Loss/Att
2013 VL - 182 - 168 - 0.9
2013 JT --- 33 -- 13 - 0.4
2012 TW - 177 - 112 - 0.6
2012 VL --- 96 -- 63 - 0.7
2011 TW - 243 - 139 - 0.6
2011 SD -- 48 -- 20 - 0.4
2010 JN - 166 - 139 - 0.8
2010 TW - 116 - 67 - 0.6
2009 JN - 279 - 168 - 0.6
2008 JN - 172 - 139 - 0.8
2008 JS -- 63 -- 43 - 0.7

For reference, the team passes per game: 2008-2011 ranged from 12.0 (2009) to 12.9 (2010) passes per game in each year. 2012 was 13.9 passes per game and 2013 was 15.6 passes per game.
 
It seemed like VL couldn't get out of his own way and had ankle weights on. He looked so much more explosive in limited duty as a freshman. Not sure why?
 
What is your data source? Especially passing it would be interesting to know the breakdown of passes per game on 1st and 2nd down versus 3rd and 4th down. We could be passing more because we are in 3rd (4th) and long more often.
 
I think vad had the issue of trying to scramble when the play broke down instead of just taking a 2 yard loss
 
TampaBayJacket said:
It seemed like VL couldn't get out of his own way and had ankle weights on. He looked so much more explosive in limited duty as a freshman. Not sure why?
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Probably thinking too much instead of just putting his head down and running
 
coit said:
What is your data source? Especially passing it would be interesting to know the breakdown of passes per game on 1st and 2nd down versus 3rd and 4th down. We could be passing more because we are in 3rd (4th) and long more often.
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The data comes from ramblinwreck.com. Their data is not compiled at the level you described.

I went to CFBstats.com and looked at their data. They have rushing and passing attempts by down and for 3rd down, by distance. If I add the rushing and passing attempts together, the numbers don't support your theory that we passed more due to being in 3rd and long more.

Pass Attempts plus Rush Attempts, by year:
Down - 13 -- 12 -- 11 -- 10 -- 09 -- 08
1 ---- 412 - 436 - 391 - 386 - 413 - 350
2 ---- 311 - 333 - 290 - 311 - 321 - 266
3 ---- 175 - 196 - 184 - 184 - 199 - 161
3,1-3 - 66 -- 68 -- 59 -- 57 --- 69 -- 42
3,4-6 - 38 -- 54 -- 61 -- 55 --- 52 -- 44
3,7-9 - 31 -- 38 -- 27 -- 27 --- 41 -- 38
3,10+ - 40 - 36 -- 37 -- 45 --- 37 -- 37
4 ------ 18 - 37 -- 19 -- 40 --- 27 -- 28

When you look at just the passing attempts, you'll find that with a couple of exceptions the team simply attempted more passes, regardless of down or distance.

Pass Attempts, by year:
Down - 13 - 12 - 11 - 10 - 09 - 08
1 ------ 77 - 87 - 69 - 64 - 66 - 61
2 ------ 55 - 43 - 43 - 37 - 40 - 44
3 ------ 66 - 59 - 52 - 57 - 55 - 55
3,1-3 --- 0 -- 5 --- 0 -- 5 -- 2 -- 5
3,4-6 -- 18 - 12 - 13 - 11 - 13 - 14
3,7-9 -- 21 - 19 - 14 - 13 - 16 - 20
3,10+ - 27 - 23 - 25 - 28 - 24 - 16
4 ------- 5 --- 5 -- 3 - 10 --- 7 -- 5

Looking at total passes, in 2013 the team attempted about 21% more passes than what had been attempted in the pre-Vad years (i.e., 2008-2011).
 
That is an interesting look at the data, thanks for pulling that together.

If anything, those just seem to show the drop from a Sr QB to a 1st year QB. Same thing happened between 09 and 10. Losing Vad might be more of a setback than having him return with a year's experience under his belt.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
It seemed like VL couldn't get out of his own way and had ankle weights on. He looked so much more explosive in limited duty as a freshman. Not sure why?
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bc you tried so hard to believe all the crap that was being said/written about him as a high school senior and as the back up to Tevin prior to being an everyday QB at the collegiate level and then .....WHAM ... reality set in.
 
Or because the line sucked so badly that Vad looked like Peyton Manning did versus the Seahawks on Sunday.

You guys better hope that Justin has booster rockets in his arse to lift him off the ground and fly him over the oncoming rushers if his OL is anywhere near as bad as it was this year for Vad.
 
daBuzz said:
Or because the line sucked so badly that Vad looked like Peyton Manning did versus the Seahawks on Sunday.

You guys better hope that Justin has booster rockets in his arse to lift him off the ground and fly him over the oncoming rushers if his OL is anywhere near as bad as it was this year for Vad.
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I wonder how much of this is offensive design that is getting defeated? For example, how many times do you see an intentionally unblocked backside defender chase down and blow up the TO? In fact, we would see many unblocked defenders racing into the backfield. I really do think DC's have caught up to our offense and know how to confuse us. Bud Foster has said this directly and lord knows they are an immovable mountain against our offense.
 
When two guys rush from the corner, which offensive lineman blocks the extra guy?
 
Here's a cool stat...

Ranking of GT football coaches based on their salaries.

1. Paul Johnson
2. Ted Roof
3. Mike Sewak

Cut the dead weight already!
 
1NYJacket said:
When two guys rush from the corner, which offensive lineman blocks the extra guy?
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do you mean corner or edge?

I assume you mean if there's an olb + db. I think in general the p/s aback picks up the first guy on the block, and the second guy becomes the second option.

I'm not sure what would happen with olb+mlb. It would probably end up in a pitch near the LOS. It would probably also result in a counter on the next play.

*just my understanding. there are others that probably understand the 3/o better.
 
wesleyd21 said:
Here's a cool stat...

Ranking of GT football coaches based on their salaries.

1. Paul Johnson
2. Ted Roof
3. Mike Sewak

Cut the dead weight already!
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Yikes. I was sort of expecting Andy McCollum in the third spot.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
I wonder how much of this is offensive design that is getting defeated? For example, how many times do you see an intentionally unblocked backside defender chase down and blow up the TO? In fact, we would see many unblocked defenders racing into the backfield. I really do think DC's have caught up to our offense and know how to confuse us. Bud Foster has said this directly and lord knows they are an immovable mountain against our offense.
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The wide receiver reverse is a counter play for backside defenders that crash down on the QB.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
I really do think DC's have caught up to our offense and know how to confuse us. Bud Foster has said this directly and lord knows they are an immovable mountain against our offense.
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I put a little bit of the blame for that on our offense - I don't think we blocked very well and I think Vad freaked out and did not make the correct read that would have (potentially) made them pay.

Its fairly indisputable that, if correctly executed, the 3O always creates a numerical advantage - but when its not, and/or we miss blocking assignments then it can appear ineffective.

I give Foster a lot of credit but we still should have won easily 2 of the last 3 against VT.

As non-flashy as he was, TW made good reads. As flashy as he was, VL did not. #stillWaitingForAQBwhoCanDoBoth

If there is a blueprint, its having a bigger, faster DL than our OL. But even that won't work 100% of the time if we just do our job.
 
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