Someone is interested in CPJ

[gsu_paintballer]

because student attendance makes money and wins games?

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i dont think you know what the responsibilities of an AD are

Where do you think future fans come from?

I'll give you a hint: when your team is winning 6 and 7 games a year, IT AIN'T THE SIDEWALK.

 

[buzzdoc]

There is very little room for new medical schools in our current climate. While there is a definite MD shortage, there is also a huge shortage in residency programs needed to train those medical school graduates to be physicians. The funding for residency programs was frozen in the mid 90's, and new regulations make it unfavorable for hospitals to add new resident positions. For the first time in history, 2016 will be the first time there will be more US medical school graduates than US residency positions. That means that US medical school graduates will finish school with an MD degree, but will not be able to obtain the training required to actually obtain a license and practice medicine.

 

[gtphd]

As to the law school, starting one would devalue every other GT degree. GT's law school would be bottom tier for decades. Law School rankings can't be moved quickly because it is based solely on reputation.

Agree that GT would and should pursue a medical school. Hell, tie it to Grady - they would benefit.

Disagree on the law school. B-schools are heavily based on reputation, but GT jumped from the bottom to Top 25 (then regressed back to Top 30) in just a few years after adding the MBA. Feel like a Law School would be similar (attract a bunch of former engineers, resulting in fairly decent admission stats, resulting in "better than mediocre" standing). Getting from better-than-mediocre to T14 would take 50+ years, though. But conceivably could be better than UGA in 10 years.

As for your point about revenue, think about it this way: with that sort of revenue, why would athletics matter to GT? The answer, to most faculty and administrators, is that GT would be just fine with or without athletics. So there's no emphasis on athletics. Which, is quite different than schools that don't have that sort of research revenue.

Now, one thing to consider, is that GT inflates the amount of research it does, by including its research corporation in its numbers. MIT, Berkley, Texas, CU, etc, don't do that.

Some do, some don't. Hopkins is the #1 engineering research university in the country because they include APL in the numbers. Caltech is almost off the map because they do not include JPL. GTRI and APL are included because most of the PIs there have dual appointment at the Institute (and would do most of the work done at GTRI in their campus labs if GTRI didn't exist). JPL, on the other hand, has hundreds of PIs who never teach at Caltech, so it makes sense to exclude.

That said, GTRI is ~$200 MM/year in research revenue. GT excluding GTRI brings in ~$550 MM/year.

 

[ramblinwise1]

There is very little room for new medical schools in our current climate. While there is a definite MD shortage, there is also a huge shortage in residency programs needed to train those medical school graduates to be physicians. The funding for residency programs was frozen in the mid 90's, and new regulations make it unfavorable for hospitals to add new resident positions. For the first time in history, 2016 will be the first time there will be more US medical school graduates than US residency positions. That means that US medical school graduates will finish school with an MD degree, but will not be able to obtain the training required to actually obtain a license and practice medicine.

That will have to change buzzdoc. Either they are gonna have to create more residencies or reduce the rigor involved with those residencies or come up with some other approach for doctors to earn their stripes... like every other profession.

 

[smokey_wasp]

I hate to say it, but I don't know if there's much we can do. The image of our school is not particularly conducive to sidewalk fans (nerds, elitists, etc.) so we simply do not have as many. People tend to support teams that they can identify with. The typical person in Georgia is going to identify with the UGA culture more than the GT culture. That's just a fact. petition, so any talk about giving up is just absurd.

I think you're completely right about this. I'm a sidewalk fan, but I have lived in Metro ATL all of my life and am probably a nerd, albeit a liberal arts nerd. I never identified with anything about dwag and Athens culture. I'm a rarity. Tech will obviously never get allegiance from rural and semi-rural Georgia. But, I do think we should do better in the immediate metro area, as gtphd pointed out. Part of it will be putting an exciting product on the field, but honestly, it would help if Ugag hired another Donnan and struggled for a decade or so. I'm too lazy to look up records, but they have to be in one of the most successful, sustained stretches in their history right now.

 

[buzzdoc]

That will have to change buzzdoc. Either they are gonna have to create more residencies or reduce the rigor involved with those residencies or come up with some other approach for doctors to earn their stripes... like every other profession.

Agreed. The answer is simple- increase funding for residency programs.

Georgia does have 2 new medical schools. Mercer opened a second full 4 year school at the Savannah medical campus (when I was at Mercer it was only a 2 year clinical campus for years 3-4). UGA also has a new medical school, which I think is technically a partnership with Georgia Regents University (formerly Medical College of Georgia). Not Georgia, but USCe also opened a new medical school at their Greenville medical campus, so there are a number of new medical schools. It would certainly be interesting to see GT push for a med school.

 

[gtphd]

Not Georgia, but USCe also opened a new medical school at their Greenville medical campus, so there are a number of new medical schools. It would certainly be interesting to see GT push for a med school.

Considering that the only state-run medical school in Georgia had to change it's name because of poor reputation, what conceivable reason is there to reject a request from GT to open a new college?

Talking to Bud, though, it will never happen. The BoR is 100% dead-set against giving GT a medical school.

 

[deliveryguy]

Kansas has been crazy bad at football for decades.....

So they're interested in CPJ or one of his successors? They must not offer classes in arts and sciences either if they want to bring the triple option to Lawrence...

I mean, that's the justification with us right? We have to run the triple option because we don't offer enough arts and science degrees???

:rolleyes:

 

[TechSBP]

Disagree on the law school. B-schools are heavily based on reputation, but GT jumped from the bottom to Top 25 (then regressed back to Top 30) in just a few years after adding the MBA. Feel like a Law School would be similar (attract a bunch of former engineers, resulting in fairly decent admission stats, resulting in "better than mediocre" standing). Getting from better-than-mediocre to T14 would take 50+ years, though. But conceivably could be better than UGA in 10 years.
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So, you may "feel" that way, but you'd be incredibly wrong. You will not attract very many good students, because no advisor will tell a student to go to a new law school. It would basically be "John Marshall at Tech."

Since they've ranked law schools, how many law schools have entered the top 14 that weren't in the original top 14? Zero.

Since they've ranked law schools, how many law schools have entered the present top 50 that weren't in the original top 50? Four. How many of those were schools started after 1950? Zero. You know who has a top 50 law school? U[sic]GA. Georgia Tech's law school would take a century to catch them. It is hubris to think the model that allows us to make other programs work so well can make a law school work well. Our MBA program has a good relationship with Emory Law. If you want to know how a law school would be viewed, ask GT's Dean of Managment rather they would even want such a relationship with a new law school (hint: they would not, because who wants to work with the type of students who would go to a new law school).

Since they've ranked law schools, how many law schools have entered the top 100 that were created after 1950? Two.

You can't build a law school repuation in 50 years. Gt's law school might attract engineers---but I've been hiring lawyers in the past year---and I can tell you, despite the fact that I would give a GT undergrad alum every benefit of the doubt, if I saw a new law school, including GT, I'd lose all credibility with the hiring committee if I advocated at all for such a graduate.

The law is not about research dollars; it generates tuition dollars.

GT's non-lawyers will believe that they can create a law school. And they might start one. But they will lose a lot of credibilty around the nation if they do so.

A med school can create resesarch dollars for a school. A law school can't. The law school generates tuition.

I can't imagine a competent leader at the helm of GT would pursue this sort of folly. Then again, it probably wouldn't be hard to land a faculty job there, so hey, count me as one of the people who might benefit from such a folly.

 

[ramblinwise1]

So, you may "feel" that way, but you'd be incredibly wrong. You will not attract very many good students, because no advisor will tell a student to go to a new law school. It would basically be "John Marshall at Tech."

Since they've ranked law schools, how many law schools have entered the top 14 that weren't in the original top 14? Zero.

Since they've ranked law schools, how many law schools have entered the present top 50 that weren't in the original top 50? Four. How many of those were schools started after 1950? Zero. You know who has a top 50 law school? U[sic]GA. Georgia Tech's law school would take a century to catch them. It is hubris to think the model that allows us to make other programs work so well can make a law school work well. Our MBA program has a good relationship with Emory Law. If you want to know how a law school would be viewed, ask GT's Dean of Managment rather they would even want such a relationship with a new law school (hint: they would not, because who wants to work with the type of students who would go to a new law school).

Since they've ranked law schools, how many law schools have entered the top 100 that were created after 1950? Two.

You can't build a law school repuation in 50 years. Gt's law school might attract engineers---but I've been hiring lawyers in the past year---and I can tell you, despite the fact that I would give a GT undergrad alum every benefit of the doubt, if I saw a new law school, including GT, I'd lose all credibility with the hiring committee if I advocated at all for such a graduate.

The law is not about research dollars; it generates tuition dollars.

GT's non-lawyers will believe that they can create a law school. And they might start one. But they will lose a lot of credibilty around the nation if they do so.

A med school can create resesarch dollars for a school. A law school can't. The law school generates tuition.

I can't imagine a competent leader at the helm of GT would pursue this sort of folly. Then again, it probably wouldn't be hard to land a faculty job there, so hey, count me as one of the people who might benefit from such a folly.

If what you say is true, it shows how ööööed up law schools are. Still in the 18th century from your description.

 

[BuzzCzar]

Where do you think future fans come from?
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wives and children. have lots of kids, StingTalkers.

 

[Buzz4Him]

I think it would be a terrible thing if Paul Johnson left Georgia Tech. He knows football and he is very competitive. The chances of improving with him are much better than the chances of improving with a different coach. He is probably the classiest, toughest, most dependable person associated with the entire athletic association. Having him as our coach is the biggest thing that says Tech is serious about major college football.

I know things get frustrating, but they get frustrating for almost every team. Poor defense, inconsistency, blowing leads, and making big comebacks are just part of football these days. Whether we win or lose, Paul Johnson's will power and his hatred of losing are still worth two touchdowns a game, in my opinion.

He knows what he's trying to do. And he knows why it doesn't work, when it doesn't work. Plus, he has integrity. Maybe not everybody's idea of charm, but integrity. Compare that to some coaches, who either rely on cheating or just walk around in a daze, when it's time to make a big decision in a game.

You should post more

 

[BuzzCzar]

Revenue from State Government: $207 MM

so, you agree with me?

you think the AA would not be super-awesome if they got a free $200MM??

i think we might even have cool uniforms and agree on a specific shade of gold