CFP Rankings Thread

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They will if Mizzou wins. There's no way they take a 2-loss non-conference champ who just lost to the #16 team, and there's no way Mizzou jumps all the way to top four.

Most of the whining about bias in this is just persecution complex and/or assuming that anyone who disagrees with you is biased. FSU is number 4 because they have played really poorly; most GT fans think we are going to beat them handily this weekend because of how they looked. They should absolutely be in the playoffs and they are, but they'd easily be underdogs against the rest of the top four so it's at the very least understandable that some people would have them ranked fourth.

There is certainly plenty you can disagree with about the rankings...but it would be just that, a disagreement. There's nothing outlandish or outrageous about any of these.
I agree with that part, but do you think that if FSU wins (regardless of margin or how good it looks) they should absolutely be in the playoffs? Cause right now I feel like FSU does not control its own destiny in path to the playoff
 

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I'm not sure what kind of magic you guys were expecting. We jumped five spots and I don't know if a #16 team has jumped a #4 team in one week late in the season. Especially if the #4 team lost to a ranked team.
 

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If Arizona beats Oregon, Oregon would still be above us, same if Missouri beats Bama...the would still be above Tech . Sucks
That's why we should root for Oregon and Bama. No way for those conferences then to get two teams.

At least according to the coaches poll, there wasn't a way mathematically for us to reach the playoff without jumping somebody who also won. If you add Bama and Oregon to those two results, and only assume we jump idle teams or teams that lost, then we go to the playoffs.

Now, uh, Iowa State lost to Kansas. But they stayed with WVU! Well, sort of and WVU has five losses.
 

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I think some people are still in the mindset that you just can't jump that many spots from week to week.

I think it is much more possible with the CFP than with any other pill or other system we've had. They don't seem to take lady weeks rankings into account much at all.
 

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I agree with that part, but do you think that if FSU wins (regardless of margin or how good it looks) they should absolutely be in the playoffs? Cause right now I feel like FSU does not control its own destiny in path to the playoff
Yes, I think there is zero chance they get left out.

I think a lot of people here are looking at this as a normal ranking, but I think the committee is looking at this as four teams in and ranking them. I think the drop from four to five is not even in the same ballpark as the drop from three to four, and there's no way they leave an undefeated conference champion out of the playoffs.

They could very well be seeded fourth if they struggle with us though. If they lose to us then obviously they're out.

The people claiming bias or rigging because FSU is #4 seem to really just disagree with how the rankings are being formulated. It's not rigged or biased...they're just seeding the top four based on team strength. It pretty much matches up with what Vegas thinks, and I doubt too many neutral observers would be picking FSU over any of the other top three.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/futures/
 

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I agree with that part, but do you think that if FSU wins (regardless of margin or how good it looks) they should absolutely be in the playoffs? Cause right now I feel like FSU does not control its own destiny in path to the playoff
Ironically, our last two games helped FSU a lot. It will be hard not to count us as a quality win.

Only possible way is if Arizona wins and committee chooses Arizona and Oregon over FSU. I just can't see that happening.
 

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Ironically, our last two games helped FSU a lot. It will be hard not to count us as a quality win.

Only possible way is if Arizona wins and committee chooses Arizona and Oregon over FSU. I just can't see that happening.
Well I think the only likely scenario is for Ohio St or Baylor to jump them. It shouldn't be likely but it's hard to really predict the committee and hatred of this FSU team is a real thing.
 

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That's why we should root for Oregon and Bama. No way for those conferences then to get two teams.
That's an interesting comment. It seems to imply that you think the odds of Mizzou beating Bama and both of them getting in are higher than Mizzou beating Bama and neither of them getting in.

I'd disagree pretty strongly with that. Here's what I'd say in terms of likelihood given a Mizzou win (obviously if Bama wins Mizzou is out and they're in):

1. SEC gets no teams in.
2. Bama gets in anyway.
3. Mizzou gets in.
4. Both Mizzou and Bama get in.

I think 1 is the most likely, but 2 is definitely possible, and I could probably convinced just as likely as 1. 3 I think is unlikely.

I'd never even entertained the notion of 4. I think we should be rooting hard for Mizzou because 1 is much more likely than 3.
 

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Bama and Oregon are two TD favorites. Baylor is -9 and Wisconsin -4. We may get Baylor in by beating FSU, and two Big 12 teams would be total bullsh!t. BUT, hard to argue that any team with two losses deserves to be there.
 

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If we end up 5 or 6, we go to the Orange Bowl by virtue of winning the ACC.
wtf?

anywayz.. could u imagine if this was still the old bcs.. FSU could have been undefeated defending nat'l champs and left out.. ööööing bullshit
 

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wtf?

anywayz.. could u imagine if this was still the old bcs.. FSU could have been undefeated defending nat'l champs and left out.. ööööing bullshit
Very doubtful. The fact that four teams get in affects how they are ranked.

Also they're still #1 in the AP poll (which I know wasn't a component of the BCS) and #2 in the coaches poll (which I believe was).
 

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Well, I worded that poorly. The main thing is Oregon. Mizzou has too big of a hill to climb, but both Oregon and Arizona could possibly go to the playoff. That could happen if TCU loses.

If your scenario involves us jumping Bama, I have a hard time seeing it happening. I have a hard time seeing Bama losing in any case. Missouri's offense is terribad.

Anyway, I think one scenario is a near-certainty we get in: Bama wins, Oregon wins, TCU loses, Wisconsin wins. Only idle, non conference champions and Wisconsin would be available other than us for the #4 spot. Scenario where we have a chance: Bama wins Oregon wins, TCU wins, Wisconsin wins, Kansas State wins. Committee would have to give that "conference champion" thing a lot of credit to not put Kansas State in at #4.
 

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If you say that who you lose to is more important than who you beat, then the ranking make sense (except for FSU).

Arizona: Three wins over ranked teams, two losses to ranked teams
Mich St: No wins over ranked teams, two losses to top five teams
KSt: One win over ranked teams, two losses to ranked teams (one is top five).
MissSt: Two wins over ranked teams, two losses to ranked teams (one is top five).
GT: Two wins over ranked teams, two losses to unranked teams.
Miss: Two wins over ranked teams, three losses to ranked teams (one is top five).
Wisc: No wins over ranked teams, one loss to an unranked team, one loss to a ranked team.

So we are 11 because of who we lost to unranked teams and those ahead of us didnt. Of course, if you make 9-3 Duke ranked and not 8-4 LSU or Auburn, then this suddenly looks alot different.
 

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I say we kick the öööö out of FSU and just give the whold thing the middle finger when we don't get picked. Supposedly, they were going to look at each week with fresh eyes. If we are a 2 loss team, and we beat the defending National Champs, who have not lost in 2 years, we deserve to be there regardless of anyone else beating anybody. Just a öööö fact
 

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Minnesota fell out off the rankings from #18 for losing to #14 Wisconsin. Who took their spot? USC for beating ND....

Also Ole Miss jumping Wisconsin? Well to be fair their latest opponent Minnesota is unranked (now)....
 

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If you say that who you lose to is more important than who you beat, then the ranking make sense (except for FSU).

Arizona: Three wins over ranked teams, two losses to ranked teams
Mich St: No wins over ranked teams, two losses to top five teams
KSt: One win over ranked teams, two losses to ranked teams (one is top five).
MissSt: Two wins over ranked teams, two losses to ranked teams (one is top five).
GT: Two wins over ranked teams, two losses to unranked teams.
Miss: Two wins over ranked teams, three losses to ranked teams (one is top five).
Wisc: No wins over ranked teams, one loss to an unranked team, one loss to a ranked team.

So we are 11 because of who we lost to unranked teams and those ahead of us didnt. Of course, if you make 9-3 Duke ranked and not 8-4 LSU or Auburn, then this suddenly looks alot different.
yeah duke.. us.. fsu.. and the whole acc are getting screwed.. what is the SEC east's record vs the west this year?
 

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Very doubtful. The fact that four teams get in affects how they are ranked.

Also they're still #1 in the AP poll (which I know wasn't a component of the BCS) and #2 in the coaches poll (which I believe was).
So basically, the AP and Coaches poll are turning out to be better than the new crap
 
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