The Patriots: A deflating story

BuzzCzar said:
2wins in 3 appearances is better than 3wins in 5 appearances, so he has to win the Super Bowl to be as good as Ben Roethlisberger
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Ben's dad went to Georgia Tech, so that's worth 3 more wins right there.
 
rghoae said:
Drew Brees is better than Brady? Really? He is the definition of an NFL system QB, and unlike Brady plays the vast majority of his games in perfect domed conditions. Unlike Brady.
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System QB? Big years in San Diego and New Orleans in different systems. Brady is a system QB.
 
BuzzCzar said:
2wins in 3 appearances is better than 3wins in 5 appearances
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05GTCorndog said:
I'm waiting for Brady to retire and see how genius the hoodie really is.
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I would say both are among the greatest, and both are the greatest QB and HC respectively, currently active.

I don't think the same could be said if they didn't work together. Brady can execute very complicated gameplans that change from week to week. They are the perfect compliment to one another.
 
savbandjacket said:
Joe Montana says hello.
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All the discussion of which QB is better based on which criteria compels me to say something many will consider sacrilege.

Joe Montana was a good QB in a great system and situation.

Football is the ultimate team sport, yet people still insist on evaluating QBs primarily on team accomplishments.

Here is the question we all should be asking in these discussions, if you switched team and coaching situations between two QBs would the performance be markedly different?

Montana was great with the 49ers, and Bill Walsh and a good defense. Put him on the Chiefs and he was still good, but not near the same performance as his stint with the 49ers. Conversely, the 49ers didn't miss a beat without Montana. Young picked up right where he left off. Although a key component of the 49ers success for years, Montana was far from irreplaceable.

I think Brady is in the same boat but we haven't seen Brady outside the vaunted Patriots system.

My feeling is that most of the top QBs in the NFL could swap with Brady, once mastering the Patriot system, and have nearly the same success. And I think the same probably holds for Montana. Walsh could have taken those teams to the same success with a number of good QBs to execute his system.

Team accomplishments should be evaluated as just that, and only rare individuals who demonstrate success across different teams should be given credit for unique contribution to the team.

Brady and Montana are both good, great if you must. But they also got lucky to fall into favorable situations to maximize their skills. Give those same coaches the same team, but switch with another top QB, Marino, Manning, Brees, etc. and I am betting they don't miss a beat in team accomplishments.
 
the fact that a great QB usually has longevity makes the above type of comparisons somewhat silly, imo

many teams are not good and then once they land a 'franchise QB' they can build around them and get good for a while. then they age and the team needs to be turned over.

Young could not likely have MADE the 49ers into the team that he could just step into, but after years of Montana in place, he could

imo, while Brady was helped by the fact that previous Patriot QBs were considered elite (Bledsoe), he is in and of himself supremely good. during his time the Pats have had to basically turn over at least once and almost twice and they are still good.

clearly the "best" QBs are the ones with the most abilities. to throw long, with a strong arm. to have touch. to be able to read defenses. to have strong leadership skills. etc etc

Brady is clearly one of the best there has been. As if anyone doubts that he will be a shoe-in for the HOF
 
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