ESPN's Way too early Preseason top 25

I'm not going to sit here and defend a dog any further than I already have. I just don't think you all are giving him (or our defense that wonderful afternoon) enough credit.

Regardless, I agree that he's not nearly enough to justify UGA's ranking on that list.
 
This is progress. Last year we were unranked and ended up number seven. Starting at 19th with teams ranked ahead of us on our schedule, we have a clear shot at making the playoffs. Last year, Georgia was at it's best before the season started. We were at our best when the season ended. I like our way better.
 
Chubb is a very good back. The Dawgs have plenty of players underperform every year and maybe next year it'll be him. But he's a very talented player.


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18in32 said:
Chubb is a very good back. The Dawgs have plenty of players underperform every year and maybe next year it'll be him. But he's a very talented player.


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He is talented, but hasn't developed all that to be as good a running back as most have labeled him. The fumbles alone are thing he has to fix before being that good.
 
GTDGN04 said:
I agree it's annoying, but who cares? We were unheralded/unranked most of the year last year and everything turned out OK. Keep winning and folks outside ATL will come around. We've done it one year...good for us, but we need to keep the train chugging along.
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Well. this is why it matters. We proved that being unranked and unheralded cannot keep you from becoming a TOP TEN team. But it does keep you from being a top four team. Georgia is ninth and that is completely absurd and unearned. They are positioned so that if (big if) they have the kind of year that we had last year--beat all of their top rivals-- they are right there in the mix. We cannot get there from the 19th slot without a wholesale meltdown of twelve or 13 teams ahead of us. Even if we are a one loss team we're going to be sixth or seventh. Georgia with one loss and a bunch of "quality SEC wins" would be second or third, given their starting point. It's just crooked.
 
Yukonwreck said:
Well. this is why it matters. We proved that being unranked and unheralded cannot keep you from becoming a TOP TEN team. But it does keep you from being a top four team. Georgia is ninth and that is completely absurd and unearned. They are positioned so that if (big if) they have the kind of year that we had last year--beat all of their top rivals-- they are right there in the mix. We cannot get there from the 19th slot without a wholesale meltdown of twelve or 13 teams ahead of us. Even if we are a one loss team we're going to be sixth or seventh. Georgia with one loss and a bunch of "quality SEC wins" would be second or third, given their starting point. It's just crooked.
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losing to duke and north carolina is what kept us from being a top 4 team, not media perception.

with our schedule, if we are a 1-loss ACC champ team, we'll be in the playoff. I feel pretty confident that a team that beats @ Notre Dame, Florida State, @ Clemson, UGA, and one of Clemson/FSU/Louisville in the ACCCG, is in.
 
Architorture23 said:
losing to duke and north carolina is what kept us from being a top 4 team, not media perception.

with our schedule, if we are a 1-loss ACC champ team, we'll be in the playoff. I feel pretty confident that a team that beats @ Notre Dame, Florida State, @ Clemson, UGA, and one of Clemson/FSU/Louisville in the ACCCG, is in.
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The hilarious thing is the only reason that's true is because of the inflated rankings ND, Clemson, and UGA have :lol:.
 
gtrower said:
The hilarious thing is the only reason that's true is because of the inflated rankings ND, Clemson, and UGA have :lol:.
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By the end of the year we SHOULD know how good those 3 teams are. All three play a lot of good teams.
 
gtrower said:
I'm also a little puzzled by this. The media and UGA fans have already dubbed Chubb the best back in the SEC and a Heisman contender for 2015. Maybe I'm biased from seeing our admittedly mediocre DL stuff him all day save one long 1st quarter run. But he does not strike the fear that Gurley did - at least not to me. Chubb is a quality TB with good strength and decent speed. Gurley was a MLB in the backfield with enough speed to take it the distance. Fournette from LSU is a lot closer to Gurley than Chubb is IMHO.

Running behind the OL UGA had this year helped Chubb a lot too.
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No doubt their OL helped Chubb a bunch, but he is every bit as good as Gurley. Saying we "stuffed" him except for one run is, imo, wrong.

First drive w Chubb - Chubb had 2 runs for 12 yards each, another for 6 yards, and a 24 yard reception.

Next drive w Chubb - 65 yard run

Next drive w Chubb - 10 yard run and he converted a 4th down run

3rd quarter - Chubb runs for 4 yards and 2 carries on one drive. Next drive Chubb had a catch for 11 yards.

We basically "stuffed" him on the drive to open the fourth quarter, but that was it. Even if you take away the 65 yard run, Chubb still had 100 total yards on 27 touches. That's hardly "stuffing," especially since it was his worst game of the season.

Look at the rest of what he did:

33 carries, 266 yards against Louisville (at the top of the ACC in rush defense).

38 carries, 143 yards against Missouri (~ top 25 rush defense)

30 carries, 202 yards against Arkansas (~ top 10 rush defense)

21 carries, 156 yards against UF (~ top 15 rush defense)

And he also demolished lesser defenses like Auburn, Kentucky, and Vandy. He had 1323 yards... in his last EIGHT games. His 1547 total yards are more than a GT RB has had since... well, I can't remember when one of our guys had that many. Oh, and he had only 31 carries in his first 5 games and another 9 against Charleston Southern. Dude easily could have topped 2000 yards in a full season.

You lost all credibility when you said Chubb has only "good" strength. If you saw any game he played in other than our own you'd realize he was a top 5 back last year and is every bit as good as Gurley.
 
GTLiebs said:
He is talented, but hasn't developed all that to be as good a running back as most have labeled him. The fumbles alone are thing he has to fix before being that good.
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Dude lost 2 fumbles all year (to us and Florida). It's not that big of an issue.

When was the last time a GT freshman had 1547 yards on 219 carries?
 
Legal Jacket said:
Dude lost 2 fumbles all year (to us and Florida). It's not that big of an issue.

When was the last time a GT freshman had 1547 yards on 219 carries?
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I thought he had one more each against us and UF. Remembered wrong. Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or even great, just that with that offensive line it is hard to say beyond doubt that he is as godlike as he is portrayed as.
 
Legal Jacket said:
No doubt their OL helped Chubb a bunch, but he is every bit as good as Gurley. Saying we "stuffed" him except for one run is, imo, wrong.

First drive w Chubb - Chubb had 2 runs for 12 yards each, another for 6 yards, and a 24 yard reception.

Next drive w Chubb - 65 yard run

Next drive w Chubb - 10 yard run and he converted a 4th down run

3rd quarter - Chubb runs for 4 yards and 2 carries on one drive. Next drive Chubb had a catch for 11 yards.

We basically "stuffed" him on the drive to open the fourth quarter, but that was it. Even if you take away the 65 yard run, Chubb still had 100 total yards on 27 touches. That's hardly "stuffing," especially since it was his worst game of the season.

Look at the rest of what he did:

33 carries, 266 yards against Louisville (at the top of the ACC in rush defense).

38 carries, 143 yards against Missouri (~ top 25 rush defense)

30 carries, 202 yards against Arkansas (~ top 10 rush defense)

21 carries, 156 yards against UF (~ top 15 rush defense)

And he also demolished lesser defenses like Auburn, Kentucky, and Vandy. He had 1323 yards... in his last EIGHT games. His 1547 total yards are more than a GT RB has had since... well, I can't remember when one of our guys had that many. Oh, and he had only 31 carries in his first 5 games and another 9 against Charleston Southern. Dude easily could have topped 2000 yards in a full season.

You lost all credibility when you said Chubb has only "good" strength. If you saw any game he played in other than our own you'd realize he was a top 5 back last year and is every bit as good as Gurley.
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I didn't lose any credibility anywhere - you can think I'm dumb if you want, but my credibility isn't up for grabs based on the way you interpret my post.

I saw him play. I said he's a quality back. I said he has good strength and decent speed - am I not using enough hyperbole for you? He's not going to pull away from anybody, but if he finds a hole he's got enough to break a 40+ yarder. And he has good strength - enough to get tough yards inside. He is not Gurley. And I'm surprised you are even trying to argue that.

He'll probably be up there in the top 5 in FBS at the end of the year rushing totals. But I'd argue that UGA has 2 or 3 guys on their roster that could do that given their recent emphasis on a rushing-centric offensive philosophy and the run of good OL they've had.

Is he the best back in the country? No.
Is he the best back in the SEC? No.
Is he the best back on UGAs roster? Maybe.

Probably the best suited for what they're trying to do, but this kid reminds me more of Trent Richardson than Gurley. Power back who puts up video game stats for a college team that has an elite OL and gives him 30+ carries a game.
 
gtrower said:
I didn't lose any credibility anywhere - you can think I'm dumb if you want, but my credibility isn't up for grabs based on the way you interpret my post.

I saw him play. I said he's a quality back. I said he has good strength and decent speed - am I not using enough hyperbole for you? He's not going to pull away from anybody, but if he finds a hole he's got enough to break a 40+ yarder. And he has good strength - enough to get tough yards inside. He is not Gurley. And I'm surprised you are even trying to argue that.

He'll probably be up there in the top 5 in FBS at the end of the year rushing totals. But I'd argue that UGA has 2 or 3 guys on their roster that could do that given their recent emphasis on a rushing-centric offensive philosophy and the run of good OL they've had.

Is he the best back in the country? No.
Is he the best back in the SEC? No.
Is he the best back on UGAs roster? Maybe.

Probably the best suited for what they're trying to do, but this kid reminds me more of Trent Richardson than Gurley. Power back who puts up video game stats for a college team that has an elite OL and gives him 30+ carries a game.
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Richardson is who he reminds me of the most too. I'd see him as more having elite level strength and good/great speed. I think we are probably saying the same thing. My main criticism of your previous post was I don't think I can name a tailback in college football right now with better strength. Maybe you can.

I would also answer maybe to all three of your questions above. Who is definitively better than him?
 
Legal Jacket said:
Richardson is who he reminds me of the most too. I'd see him as more having elite level strength and good/great speed. I think we are probably saying the same thing. My main criticism of your previous post was I don't think I can name a tailback in college football right now with better strength. Maybe you can.

I would also answer maybe to all three of your questions above. Who is definitively better than him?
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Saying similar things I think. I also think he's similar to Richardson in that he'll be hyped going into the NFL but not make a real impact - not a knock on the kid. He's a really good player. He's just not this Gurley-clone that UGA fans want him to be.

IMHO Fournette (LSU) is likely the best RB in the country. Conner (Pitt) is in the discussion. Id take either of those two over Chubb right now. FSUs young guy (name escapes) me will be in the discussion if he gets that fumble problem under control. If Duke Johnson had stayed I'd take him before Chubb too. OU has that true frosh who set the single game record, although I admittedly haven't seen him play at all other than the first half of the Clemson game.
 
gtrower said:
Saying similar things I think. I also think he's similar to Richardson in that he'll be hyped going into the NFL but not make a real impact - not a knock on the kid. He's a really good player. He's just not this Gurley-clone that UGA fans want him to be.

IMHO Fournette (LSU) is likely the best RB in the country. Conner (Pitt) is in the discussion. Id take either of those two over Chubb right now. FSUs young guy (name escapes) me will be in the discussion if he gets that fumble problem under control. If Duke Johnson had stayed I'd take him before Chubb too. OU has that true frosh who set the single game record, although I admittedly haven't seen him play at all other than the first half of the Clemson game.
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Fournette to me is a little to up and down, but maybe that's more due to the supporting cast than his talent. Conner is ridiculously good and I would certainly put him up there. Don't know if I would take him before Chubb (but can't really fault you for doing so - just don't think he's heads and shoulders above Chubb)
 
Next year, we keep our star QB but lose most of the production from AB, BB and WR. What's the worst that could happen?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/59/year/2010/georgia-tech-yellow-jackets

Oh...

We probably won't be as bad as 2010 because we have a FAR better OL. But I'm still concerned about the other offensive positions. Some investors say "Be greedy when other are fearful and be fearful when others are greedy." For ST, I'm optimistic when others are butthurt and butthurt when others are optimistic.
 
floridajacket said:
For ST, I'm optimistic when others are butthurt and butthurt when others are optimistic.
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Trying to time the market is for gamblers with money they can afford to lose. Average your cost by buying over time, and count on the fact that every 10-year period in history has been a net gain in butthurt.
 
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