i see things havent changed that much

goodbyte

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These were students in a private settling singing a racist song. They weren't in front of a schoolhouse door.

It is absolutely,100%,1st Amendment protected ass-hattery.
If you have a take-home exam that specifically forbids collaboration and you take it home and talk to your friends about it, is that a violation worthy of disciplinary action?

After all, the Constitution gives you the right to assemble, free speech and press. You should be able to meet you friend, talk to him or send him a letter. So collaboration on the test doesn't violate Constitutional rights but it violates the Student Code of Conduct no matter if it happened on campus, in dorms or on private property.
 

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They shouldn't be expelled. The school should just require them to wear t shirts that say "racist" on them. They are likely hated by their fraternity bros (no matter the position their brothers have, they are pissed it happened and that they don't have a house, especially the ones who didn't participate), any football fan, and likely everyone else for shaming their school.
 

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If you have a take-home exam that specifically forbids collaboration and you take it home and talk to your friends about it, is that a violation worthy of disciplinary action?

After all, the Constitution gives you the right to assemble, free speech and press. You should be able to meet you friend, talk to him or send him a letter. So collaboration on the test doesn't violate Constitutional rights but it violates the Student Code of Conduct no matter if it happened on campus, in dorms or on private property.
I see, saying something offensive is akin to cheating.

So, let's say singing an offensive song violates the policy. Now you have to expel anyone who has played a top 40, hip hop, or country album. Good for you, your school is empty. You might also want to fire any prof who says any group in general is racist. That is pretty offensive too.
 

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there are many limitations on Constitutional guarantees that even public universities can effect that have been upheld by courts, such as:
-the right to bear firearms
-limitations on your right to be searched (like your student mailbox at GT)
-your right to medical privacy (must show immunization records)

just off the top of my head
 

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I see, saying something offensive is akin to cheating.

So, let's say singing an offensive song violates the policy. Now you have to expel anyone who has played a top 40, hip hop, or country album. Good for you, your school is empty. You might also want to fire any prof who says any group in general is racist. That is pretty offensive too.
Take these issues up with the President and the official representatives of the Student Body and see how far it gets you. Anyone is free to file a petition. You could be offended by the yellow color on the walls.
 

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Take these issues up with the President and the official representatives of the Student Body and see how far it gets you. Anyone is free to file a petition. You could be offended by the yellow color on the walls.
Now we are getting somewhere. We should put offensive up to a popular vote. That is one solution. Or, we could let people say offensive things that aren't threatening (and clearly this song wasn't a threat) and know they are jerks.

American generally go for option 2. That is why Larry Flint can feed women through a meat grinder on his magazine cover.
 

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Now we are getting somewhere. We should put offensive up to a popular vote. That is one solution. Or, we could let people say offensive things that aren't threatening (and clearly this song wasn't a threat) and know they are jerks.

American generally go for option 2. That is why Larry Flint can feed women through a meat grinder on his magazine cover.
What difference does it make if it's threatening? They are just words, not actions.
 

WracerX

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What difference does it make if it's threatening? They are just words, not actions.
Because singing "let's kill Juan Epstein on Techwood Ave within the week" is not protected speech, "hang Puerta Rician Jews" is protected speech. This is the basis of not arresting every rapper in the 80's.

Did you know that you can be accepted to Oklahoma universities while on parole for violent hate crimes?

Seems funny that a university supported group that is based on excluding people is getting booted for excluding people.
 

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http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/oklahoma-stands-tall-against-racism-weak-against-violence-031015

I am just glad they are standing tough against racism but over look silly things like violence against women.

Less than a month ago they allowed Joe Mixon, a talented running back videotaped punching a female student in an off-campus bar, back onto the football team after a year long suspension just from the football team. Yep, Mixon punched a female student and was never even kicked off campus. The punch was so violent that his female victim, a Sooner student, suffered a fractured jaw, a broken cheek bone, a broken nose and a fractured orbital bone near her left eye. Oh, and Mixon also began the incident, according to the complaint, by directing a gay slur at the woman's male companion at the bar.

What did President David Boren say in that case?

"The judicial outcome and the video speak for themselves," Oklahoma President David L. Boren said. "The University is an educational institution, which always sets high standards that we hope will be upheld by our students. We hope that our students will all learn from those standards, but at the same time, we believe in second chances so that our students can learn and grow from life's experiences."
Moral of the story, these frat boys should have been playing football then, no harm no foul.
 

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yeah, one difference is that there is no threat of communism and never was, while racism is clearly present here
Wrong.

another difference is that political words are not discriminatory against protected classes. big legal difference
Wrong.
But, you are a spectacularly bigoted dumb ass.
Press on.
 

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The only people with a hostile environment claim would be people on the bus. However, being on that bus has nothing to do with going to the school, so that's a pretty weak argument.







Everybody in the country should support these guys if they sue the school. You don't get to throw people out of school for speech. You cannot have successful higher education without free speech, otherwise you wind up like Liberty University.



These guys are jerkoffs, but freedom of speech is worth suffering jerkoffs.

They do have freedom of speech. The school has freedom to decide that this type of speech is not accepted at their school. Everyone's free speech rights are protected.

I always say that you have the right to say what you want, and people have the right to interpret what you say and judge you based on it. So be careful what you say.


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This is only going to get worse as parents do everything they can to re-segregate schools. If you are raised with a little money and Mom and Dad made sure you did not have to go to school with too many persons of color and certainly as few poor kids as possible, then my guess is you will enter college with a definite feeling of superiority. I live in a diverse school district that sees more white, affluent families opt out year after year. Parents of three year olds have anxiety attacks that their little one may not get a seat in the charter school and have to go to school where the minority population is about 50% and the free and reduced lunch percentage is about the same. If we raise a generation of privileged kids who were told they were too good to be with a diverse public school population, then don't be surprised when they pledge social frats and sororities that they just might have race and class prejudices.
 

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All I'm saying is that if you're in a frat there is a 95% chance that you will or already have raped someone. I don't see how that's controversial. :dunno:
 

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But, you are a spectacularly bigoted dumb ass.
Press on.
really? ok, please explain how political opinions are discriminatory based on age, gender, sexual orientation, race, or ethnic origin; those are the protected classes by legal standards. it seems you dont know what that means; i didnt decide those, the US justice system did

and if you believe the McCarthyist propaganda was actually true then it seems you have not read much in the way of history books.

clearly, the Soviet Union was a military threat, but the idea of hollywood being under investigation for communist collaboration and keeping FBI files on suspect 'intellectuals' that were supposedly communist sympathizers has pretty much been soundly debunked

perhaps you can provide evidence to the contrary instead of tossing around personal insults that you cant back up with facts or anything even resembling a post of material content
 
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