Allen Koholic
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If he does a press conference and sees his shadow, I think it means six more weeks of winter.
Time for a new AD?
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I just don't understand the contract extension and renegotiated buyout with Brian Gregory. MBOB needs to explain that one. I mean with the CPJ extension you can see both sides like cyp pointed out. I get it. The Gregory extension completely baffles me.
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yeah he must have thought that we hold all our other teams to the same standard that we hold the football team to since CPJ gets an extension everytime he beats uga. But we already beat uga in everything else. We'd probably beat them in basketball next year even if you, me, flunkout, perfectoption and buzzczar were the starting 5.
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The only thing you are missing is a semblance of common sense. Let's go through each of your points.
I love Johnson, but if the goal is NOT to overpay underwhelming coaches, then there was no reason to extend CPJ before this year. We were 28-25 the four seasons prior to this one. While that wasn't worth firing per se, CPJ's seat was getting warm. And there is no reason to rush into an extension when you are 5-2 with losses to Duke and UNC and huge wins over Wofford, Tulane, and GSU. It seems perfectly acceptable to me to take the results of a season into account BEFORE figuring out what kind of extension you need to offer.
It was a one year extension, which at the time seemed fine. We are still, I believe, under contract to pay Hewitt for longer than we are to pay Gregory, even with that extension. It was also following an improvement by five games in wins. Amazing how you criticize Bobo for not acting fast enough with CPJ, despite middling results, but then you criticize him for acting too fast with CBG, despite marked improvement after his first two seasons. Are you captain hindsight?
Perkins was fired 7 weeks into Bobo's tenure, which means that it wasn't performance based.
As was already said here, Tonya resigned, she wasn't fired.
Judging us by football attendance will likely always result in failure. College football attendance is down pretty much across the board. When have we ever brought in more than 44k for dook? We just don't have a fanbase. Not sure how Bobo was supposed to change that in 2 years when our previous ADs haven't fixed it in 50. Are you a GT fan or just a troll?
Show me a team with our record and better attendance.
Same deal as football attendance. Our program has never really made money. What do you expect us to do, charge more for hot dogs? Without a real solution you just sound like an idiot who is pointing fingers at the difficulties of the job. It's not like Bobo inherited the financial success of Texas and turned those into operating losses.
Are you really this dumb? Why would we expand sports where, as you just mentioned, we are operating at a loss. Do you really think women's rowing or men's wrestling will turn around the financial outlook of our athletic department?
And why on earth would we possibly need to expand our facilities? We just completed several rounds of major football stadium renovations. We just completed a new practice field. We just completed a massive basketball renovation and constructed a practice facility for basketball.
What other sports would you possibly want added? What other facility would you possibly want to have redone?
People like you, who call for a new AD because our current one isn't magically transforming Tech into Georgia are flat out idiots. What do you realistically expect Georgia Tech's AD to do? He's not jesus.
We are continuing to improve visibility and market well. We added recruiting personnel to football and that's seemed to do well. And he's taken a very conservative, measured approach that DRAD did not. Extending a coach for a year contract isn't going to break the bank, which we are fragile on right now. Waiting to make sure we want to stick with CPJ is also a smart, measured play. The fact that he is so careful makes me think he will do a good job. We just don't have the resources to make another Hewitt sized mistake.
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It wasn't a great move, but I think you need to put yourself in the position at the time, not looking back in hindsight. Gregory inherited a dumpster fire and made us look to be improving, going 16-15 in his second year. You say "contract extension," but it was only one year. We had also just beat #6 Miami and graduated 7 Seniors in a row and performed outstandingly in the classroom.
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What were the details of the buyout change? Can't find them online (and please provide links to facts).
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old contract:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110401...how-much-will-georgia-tech-pay-brian-gregory/
Buyout:
100% 11-12
100% 12-13
75% 13-14
75% 14-15
50% 15-16
50% 16-17
After extension:
http://georgiatech.blog.ajc.com/2015/03/12/notes-background-on-gregory-buyout/
Buyout:
100% 13-14
100% 14-15
100% 15-16
75% 16-17
50% 17-18
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So it was a 1.75 year guarantee extension, not a 1 year extension. Wtf MBob? It's not like another team was interested or he just won a final four game.
75 -> 100 in 13-14
75 -> 100 in 14-15
50 -> 100 in 15-16
50 -> 75 in 16-17
0 -> 50 in 17-18
75 -> 100 in 13-14
75 -> 100 in 14-15
50 -> 100 in 15-16
50 -> 75 in 16-17
0 -> 50 in 17-18
Let's also keep in mind that I asked for information I lacked. Which you've failed to provide. I'm going to point out the inconsistencies in what you've put forward as "common sense" below.
At the start of the season Johnson had three years remaining on his contract (ending after the 2016 season).
By comparison, Brian Gregory had 4 years on his contract when MBob gave him another year. For "recruiting."
Brian Gregory's accomplishments wilt in comparison to Johnson's before the start of this season. Gregory has never finished better than 6-12 in conference play. Johnson's worst year was 4-4. All other years were 5-3 or better.
We've consistently been a top 40 football program. Under Gregory, we've never even made the post season. Not once. 68 teams make the NCAA tournament. 32 make the NIT tournament. And 16 are invite to the CBI. That's 116 teams a year. And in 4 years, we've not managed to crack that field. Think about that. Not once. But he got an extension. And yet, you don't think Johnson needed one prior to this season. I wasn't suggesting we give him a golden contract. Just a real contract extension to provide stability.
And as to doing it at the beginning of the season--that's when MBob extended Gregory's contract.
Going 16-15 (6-12) is "improvement" over a 11-20 record. Yes.
As I pointed out, Gregory had more time on his contract than Johnson. 4 years. Johnson had 3. Yet we did that before the season for one, a coach who had yet to show that he could win, against a coach who had already won multiple ACC divisional titles and an ACC championship.
This sounds like the right call. Opinions on how the replacement is doing?
Football numbers are down. Period. Despite winning.
Last year, half of the ACC schools saw increased attendance. It might be worth observing whether we show marked improvement with FSU, VT, and Georgie on the home schedule this year. If not, there are problems.
The whole "are you a real Tech fan thing" isn't much of an argument either.
Surely this applies to basketball. 11-3 teams don't have much trouble increasing attendance. Look at NC State, Mississippi State, and Arkansas did when their team's performance improved.
GT took many years away from subsidizing the athletic department. This is a new contribution. Go back and read what I wrote. I did not criticize him for this. I just put the facts out there. If you have clarifying information on why they are good or bad, please explain. But it seems that despite increased TV revenue, we're having trouble balancing the books without subsidies from the school and its students. GT is a school. Not an athletic franchise.
My opinion is still out on this: can he fundraise. If so, no problem here. If not, big problem.
That's why fundraising is important. how do schools like Duke, Stanford, Cal, Illinois, VT, Michigan, and the schools that we list as peer institutions field so many sports teams more than us?
As for sports, we should be looking to the future with soccer and lacrosse.
As for facilities expansions, I didn't say we needed those, I said, that our prior AD made that a priority. We've never seen what MBob's priorities are. Do you know what his vision for our athletic department is?
And people like you don't read. I asked for facts to supplement what I had. I asked a question "Time for a New AD?" and laid out the info I had gathered. I asked for other opinions. I praised him for extending Machelle Joseph. I laid out the facts of the budget situation without criticism. And note--while I stated what I had was incomplete--there is nothing inaccurate in what I stated. I'm simply asking: what is the case for MBob. Why don't you make a case for him instead of saying attendance doesn't matter, that one coach who has won doesn't deserve an extension but a coach that hasn't won did deserve an extension, that GT always loses money, etc. Those aren't really good arguments for MBob.
You may think that any discussion of an AD is not appropriate. We disagree. I'm honestly asking: what is the case for MBob--because based on what I know, which I acknowledge is not complete, I want to know what others think. And this thread has helped my opinion of MBob. Particularly the together we swarm and the necessity of replacing a softball coach. But whether he is getting the job done is a fair question at this point in time.
I didn't ask for some condescending bullshit like yours that adds no new facts or explanations.
I don't want a magic AD. I want an AD who explains where the department is headed and makes consistent moves. I hope MBob is that guy. But I'm waiting on him to make that case, or his supporters here.
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It seems like Bobinski has a higher valuation of Gregory than us.
1. gives a better extension than we thought was deserved.
2. says we have the money to fire him now, but want to see more from Gregory.
One explanation...
And a perfectly rational explanation, if he's willing to own it. If we have the money, and keep him, and we tank even more, then we need to consider whether we want that person hiring our next men's basketball coach.
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The only reasoning that makes sense is Bobinski thought for sure Gregory would be successful with the three 4* recruits. Therefore the early extension would save Tech money.
The real issue with Gregory is not at Tech but at Dayton. He did not have an upward trajectory at Dayton and Dayton has done better since he left. Although it's not like he completely crashed and burned, the contrast to CPJ's previous success couldn't be any stronger.
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That would have been far better with a typical SEC West or VT OOC schedule. It also may not be the best time to bring this up, but CPJ did lose A LOT of close games.
I gave a strong upward trend in computer rankings 2011-13, which got a lot of chest-beating, "woulda, coulda, shoulda" arguments from some posters. It turns out, though, that strength of schedule and "moral victories" do matter for predicting the future. It was also true that we had significant losses on the DL. I am thankful for Kyle Travis putting in the work in practice, making other players better in practice and when he was on the field, he at least occupied one OL. But he just didn't have the physical ability to do more than occupy one offensive player. Before that, in 2010-11, the cupboard was bone-dry for OL.
It's just a completely different feeling I have for Gregory, both due to Dayton and what I've seen from his team at Tech.
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Perhaps MBob is giving Gregory one more try to get things trending up and if next year turns out like this year, MBob will pluck Ron Hunter away from Ga State with Ron Jr. having played out his eligibilty at Ga State.
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there is one reason that i know that was big in his favor with some of the elements in the decision process: he has turned the team into an academic achiever
not a joke. the academic numbers are way up. while you guys might scoff at this, the fact is that this is important to factions involved in the decision making process at the deepest levels
not a joke. the academic numbers are way up. while you guys might scoff at this, the fact is that this is important to factions involved in the decision making process at the deepest levels
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Outstanding! So let's fire CBG and let the heads of the various engineering departments each take turns being head coach for a year. We'll just add it to their job description and say, "Oh, we don't give a s**t about winning. Just make sure our boys graduate!"
And FWIW, I'm not disagreeing with you. The unfortunate truth is you're probably right. Everyone else in the country is bringing in basketball players because they can actually run, dribble, shoot, jump and score. We apparently are looking for their ability to calculate the area underneath a curve.
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I guess people wanted CPJ to be extended for losing to ugag and in lousy bowl games. Maybe MBob gave him some needed motivation.
Since you can't have him, for now, as HC maybe we can make Price the AD, with curry as his unbelievable, incredible, phenomenal circumstances, can not be comprehended, spectacular, what we were required to do in my day Asst.. AD for butthurt.
Since you can't have him, for now, as HC maybe we can make Price the AD, with curry as his unbelievable, incredible, phenomenal circumstances, can not be comprehended, spectacular, what we were required to do in my day Asst.. AD for butthurt.
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I heard that we lost basketball scholarships because of poor APR under Hewitt. Was that purely the one-and-dones, or did some other players honestly fail out? APR is not supposed to be hurt by players turning pro, but do one-and-dones even go to a single Spring semester class?
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Just saw this in the original contract link: "Provisions in which the ASSOCIATION agrees to review the contract with Coach Gregory within 90 days of the end of the 2012-13 season."
So they had negotiated a contract renegotiation, and it happened.