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I think this is one of my problems with rankings. There should be rankings and then there should be playoff worthiness rankings. The two are not the same.

Rankings would dictate who you think the best teams are. I think we will be among the best teams in the country this season.

The playoff worthiness rankings should be an attempt at finding the most successful regular season's in college football. We may not have a successful regular season, but we may be among the best teams in football. In which case our #18 ranking may be more of a gauge of where we are, but not reflective of where we may end up on the playoff totem pole.
 
GTCrew4b said:
I think this is one of my problems with rankings. There should be rankings and then there should be playoff worthiness rankings. The two are not the same.

Rankings would dictate who you think the best teams are. I think we will be among the best teams in the country this season.

The playoff worthiness rankings should be an attempt at finding the most successful regular season's in college football. We may not have a successful regular season, but we may be among the best teams in football. In which case our #18 ranking may be more of a gauge of where we are, but not reflective of where we may end up on the playoff totem pole.
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Well put. I totally agree and think that this is a issue that really muddied the water back when polls were used to select the two title game participants, and now when people evaluate the decisions of the cfp committee. Lots of people seem to have a tough time distinguishing the two concepts.
 
andrew said:
Well put. I totally agree and think that this is a issue that really muddied the water back when polls were used to select the two title game participants, and now when people evaluate the decisions of the cfp committee. Lots of people seem to have a tough time distinguishing the two concepts.
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This points out the fundamental problem that football is too violent to play enough games to make reasonable conclusions of what teams are better than others during a regular season given the huge number of D1 teams. If enough games were played, the issue you are discussing vanishes. Can you imagine if the MLB (about 1/4 of the # of D1 CFB teams) played a 12 game season before playoffs? Or NBA. Or NHL. Or literally any other sport ever. This fundamental problem with college football makes it essentially impossible to find a way to determine a legitimate hierarchy of teams.
 
gtrower said:
This points out the fundamental problem that football is too violent to play enough games to make reasonable conclusions of what teams are better than others during a regular season given the huge number of D1 teams. If enough games were played, the issue you are discussing vanishes. Can you imagine if the MLB (about 1/4 of the # of D1 CFB teams) played a 12 game season before playoffs? Or NBA. Or NHL. Or literally any other sport ever. This fundamental problem with college football makes it essentially impossible to find a way to determine a legitimate hierarchy of teams.
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FCS seems to do okay.
 
andrew said:
FCS seems to do okay.
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Don't they play like a 5-week playoff tournament? Are we going to see that in P5? The only logical way to organize 125+ teams is to have conferences and have every conference champ qualify for a playoff. But even then you'd really want to have a series for each stage of the playoff rather than a single game. But that can't happen with football.

And determining a champion is a little different than ranking teams. At least for the champion you can have a playoff. But what about the teams that aren't in the playoff? How are you supposed to rank a 9-3 (6-2) team from the Big 10 against a 9-3 (6-2) team from the ACC when they haven't played each other? It's an absurd notion that people just become accustomed to because it's been the norm.

It's the same thing as a team dropping from #15 to #20 when they lose to #5 on the road. Why are we dropping them? Aren't they supposed to lose that game based on how we've ranked them?

Polls have essentially become a ranking of the likelihood that each team is the best team in the country. Rather than a ranking of what teams are better than others. Because that's basically impossible given the current 12-game regular season.
 
gtrower said:
Don't they play like a 5-week playoff tournament? Are we going to see that in P5? The only logical way to organize 125+ teams is to have conferences and have every conference champ qualify for a playoff. But even then you'd really want to have a series for each stage of the playoff rather than a single game. But that can't happen with football.

And determining a champion is a little different than ranking teams. At least for the champion you can have a playoff. But what about the teams that aren't in the playoff? How are you supposed to rank a 9-3 (6-2) team from the Big 10 against a 9-3 (6-2) team from the ACC when they haven't played each other? It's an absurd notion that people just become accustomed to because it's been the norm.
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Doesn't this happen in a lot of sports? In the NBA, who was better this year...the Bulls or the Grizzlies? The only difference is people care about the top 25 rankings in CFB, but no one cares in the NBA who was better.

But in sports like tennis, points are awarded to determine world rankings, and yet luck of the draw in individual tournaments can play a big role (like world-ranked #1 Djokovic playing Nadal, who has won 9 of the last 10 French Opens, in the quarterfinals).
 
Well I think the o/u was 6.5 or something similar last year. They may be right but I don't read anything into what they say because they aren't familiar enough with our program to really gauge what we're going to do. I don't expect us to win 11 games this year but I didn't expect it last year either. I thought we'd lose to vpi, Miami and Georgia and we beat all 3 but lost to effing duke and unc. Who knows...guess that's why they play the game. I think Georgia is going to be an 8 win team next year
 
Get this through your thick heads:

No matter what happens during any season - the following preseason - UGA & Clemson will always be ranked higher

It's magic. Good news is - this never has anything to do with what might happen the upcoming season
 
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