Why Not Reverse the Outcome of the Duke Game?

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CiraldoForever

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I am not a fan of Duke or its coach, and I know there were tons of pro-Duke PI calls in Duke's final drive, but putting all that aside, what is the fair remedy for a game ending play, which the conference says would have resulted in the losing team winning, if the officials had made the correct call?

Let's say that Tech had been in Duke's place on that final play. The conference and everybody that's watched the replay has acknowledged that gross incompetence by the officials resulted in the wrong team winning.

So, what should happen? Does it restore integrity in the league to suspend the officials for two league games, but let the wrong result stand? I don't think so. Since it was the last play of the game and we all know who would have won if the officials had done their job correctly, why not just declare Duke the winner?

As I said, I'm not a Duke fan. But, if this had happened to Tech, I would not be very happy with the conference saying the game should have ended with us ahead, but all it's going to do is suspend the officiating crew. Why not do the right thing?
 
Are you a duke fan?
 
Bad calls are part of the game. If you reverse one game because of some bad calls, you'll open it up for each losing team challenging games because one bad call.
 
a slippery slope, let's not go there .... end result is no one knows who won until all the game tape is reviewed from all 360 angles which might take until Wednesday.
 
Duck Fuke.

I say give 'em another loss if they keep bitchin'. They've won so many hoops games thanks to gift non-calls from refs terrified of Coach Consonants.

This is karmic payback.

DUCK FUKE. jesus, what's wrong with people here giving a öööö about the ööööing blue devils? öööö 'EM.
 
Suspending the officials is just Tobacco Road having a hissy fit. Seriously, how many times has Tech been absolutely screwed (in all sports) by terrible officiating with not even a fart coming from the ACC offices? Hell, the ACC said nothing when Jarret Jack's nuts committed a foul against Duke.
 
Everyone in the league has been on the receiving end of a bad call against Duke in basketball. It is about time they got their own in football.


Swofford can throw a hissy fit on this because UNC is still in position in the coastal, but Duke got what was coming to them.
 
No need to, and no procedure, to reverse any outcome.

The play was reviewed as per protocol. That is, not to make a call but to see if refs made, as far as technology allows, the correct call.

That, after review, said knee not down. It happens

Replay not for the purpose of "throwing flags" not done so by officials during play.

12th man only applies to number of players on field prior to play. The um player running on field did not impact play and would have been an unsportsmanlike call applied after the play.

Thrilled that puke is hurting, that ACC refs are getting rapped, that lil girl is being shown as p.o.s.
 
There is precedent for reversing the outcome of a game based on review of the final play. It has to be a scenario where the game would have ended whether or not the call was reversed. It also has to be a reviewable situation. I think this scenario meets the first criterion but not the second. You can't add a block in the back flag when one was never thrown (as far as I can tell). Duke loses.
 
texstinger said:
No need to, and no procedure, to reverse any outcome.

The play was reviewed as per protocol. That is, not to make a call but to see if refs made, as far as technology allows, the correct call.

That, after review, said knee not down. It happens

Replay not for the purpose of "throwing flags" not done so by officials during play.

12th man only applies to number of players on field prior to play. The um player running on field did not impact play and would have been an unsportsmanlike call applied after the play.

Thrilled that puke is hurting, that ACC refs are getting rapped, that lil girl is being shown as p.o.s.
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So a 12th player can run from the sideline to make a block that results in a TD and the TD will stand? Don't think so. That isn't what happened, but it is a loss of down penalty when an offensive player who wasn't on the field when the play started enters the field while the play is still live.

Its a moot point because you can't add a flag on review, but they blew that call.
 
MtownJacket said:
So a 12th player can run from the sideline to make a block that results in a TD and the TD will stand? Don't think so. That isn't what happened, but it is a loss of down penalty when an offensive player who wasn't on the field when the play started enters the field while the play is still live.

Its a moot point because you can't add a flag on review, but they blew that call.
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You conveniently left out the part about the player running on the field did not impact the play. Heard this from Doug Rhodes on tv today.

IF he had, yes there is precedence, going back to bama vs Rice Cotton Bowl game.
 
A player entering the field of play in celebration is an unsportsmanlike penalty, not a substitute. If a player is a 12th substitute, in terms of actually playing, then it is a five yard, live-ball foul. So you can't have 12, 13, 14 players playing and have a touchdown stand.

A player who enters the field for celebration, arguing with the ref, taunting, etc. but not playing is a dead-ball 15-yard personal foul.

On reversing the game, it's a slippery slope where there's no finality from the officials and conferences are going to be bombarded with calls after every game with a controversial ending.
 
If this was any other team besides Duke or UNC you would not here squat about it from the ACC much less a suspension of the refs.
 
If this had happened to tech the refs wouldn't have been suspended and you wouldn't hear a peep from Swofford. öööö them.
 
What's the argument here? His knee was down? I didn't see a clear angle to reverse it did I miss something

Edit: nm saw the new photo angle.. Who cares bad calls are made all the time duke still should have tackled the guy
 
gt2690b said:
What's the argument here? His knee was down? I didn't see a clear angle to reverse it did I miss something

Edit: nm saw the new photo angle.. Who cares bad calls are made all the time duke still should have tackled the guy
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There was also a very obvious block in the back on the 15 yard line that as the seventh lateral was thrown. There were several borderline blocks that were probably fine no-calls, but there was one really bad one right before a lateral. They didn't replay it on the broadcast because it was before the eighth lateral that set up the final run.

At the 17 second mark here: https://twitter.com/AuburnJokes/status/660655592701337600?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Here's a photo where you can see it about to happen:

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I agree there's no way they should change the outcome of the game after the fact. That said, the refs screwed up pretty big on this play.
 
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They only said the last play was called wrong. They did not say whether all the other plays in the game were called correctly or not. If you review and change the ruling on one play, you'd need to review them all to be fair. Maybe on the balance the bad calls favored Duke, not Miami.
 
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