"Richt left Kirby with nothing"

Architorture23 said:
Yeah but it also raises the question, is Saban THAT good (best ever?) or is he a product of his own talent multiplied by the explosion of college football (bubble?) and being in the rightest spot at the rightest time possible.
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He has a good system. No coincidence that another guy that uses basically the same system has 3 ACC and 1 NC.

He also has more talent than 99% of the teams he plays and more support staff as well. He clearly was having problems with the faster paced HUNH teams but looks to have gotten that fixed but it took him a couple of years. I like him for the reason he put the mutts in their place and kept them from winning several SEC championships and for all of his faults he was honest with Thomas and told him he wasn't going to play QB there which helped us get him.

To really judge him I would like to see what he could do at say Kentucky or South Carolina. Spurrier had three straight 11 win seasons at a dump like Carolina and also won at Duke so the guy could coach. Could Saban do the same at those type programs? History shows just about anyone can win 10 games at Alabama.
 
Great schemes, huge athletic budgets, and low barrier for recruits = major success. Saban and Meyer both have it; Fisher is good but not as good.
 
ronricks said:
History shows just about anyone can win 10 games at Alabama.
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Its baffling to me how talent differentials are tossed aside when measuring coaching quality.

I am an old school believer that the best coaches win when/where others could not. Spurrier won everywhere he coached - his last years at SC don't diminish anything.

Is Saban that good? Its possible but give that roster, that budget and those facilities to any other coach and I bet you would get similar results so its not like he's working miracles over there.
 
Saban really didn't become the monster he is until Alabama. He won the title at LSU but his other years were merely very good, not incredible. A couple of 8 win seasons and a 9 win season. And he was beating up an SEC West that really wasn't that great, either.

I'm not hating on him... I think he's a great coach and one of the best ever. But I think the school he's at and this time in college football history lends a lot to his enormous success.
 
You guys quickly forget that Bama was mediocre for years before Saban. And LSU was mediocre for decades until Saban came along. (In the 20 yrs before Saban, LSU had 2 ten win seasons and 10 losing seasons.)

I'm a fan of the "great man" theory of history. I don't know if Saban would win *as much* at a school with less institutional commitment than Alabama, but he would raise the bar anywhere.

PS. I also think CPJ is a helluva coach whose resurrection of Navy is more impressive in relative terms than what Saban has done. If he was an IROC driver he'd win every race.
 
Dabo is a prime example of what $$$ can do
 
18in32 said:
You guys quickly forget that Bama was mediocre for years before Saban. And LSU was mediocre for decades until Saban came along. (In the 20 yrs before Saban, LSU had 2 ten win seasons and 10 losing seasons.)

I'm a fan of the "great man" theory of history. I don't know if Saban would win *as much* at a school with less institutional commitment than Alabama, but he would raise the bar anywhere.

PS. I also think CPJ is a helluva coach whose resurrection of Navy is more impressive in relative terms than what Saban has done. If he was an IROC driver he'd win every race.
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I think it's a combination of both the man and his environment. Being at the right place at the right time helps.
 
One of Saban's biggest tools is roster churning. I think it's kind of sleazy, but it obviously works.
 
One of my ugay friends was rambling to me yesterday how Tennessee fans have been running around heads high saying they are gonna annihilate the dawgs this weekend, I said "well, after beating my Gators I think yall truly will get slaughtered!" He looked at me like I had just pulled my pants down.
 
jts1207 said:
Dabo is a prime example of what $$$ can do
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Your nuts if you think Dabo isn't a great head coach. He surrounds himself with talented coordinators. He's a hell of a recruiter, and he's all about his players. Clemson is well-funded no doubt, but they were well-funded and very mediocre until he came on board. They gambled when they gave him that job. Look at what they've done since. Looks like the gamble paid off.


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Dabos OCs and DCs have been and are some of the highest paid in all of college football. Have you not seen the football players only theme park they are building? Give me a break
 
jts1207 said:
Dabos OCs and DCs have been and are some of the highest paid in all of college football. Have you not seen the football players only theme park they are building? Give me a break
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Given the opportunity, you wouldn't surround CPJ with top tier, highly paid coordinators? Or build a world-class training facility/brothel for our SAs and to promote recruiting?
 
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buzzdoc said:
Your nuts if you think Dabo isn't a great head coach. He surrounds himself with talented coordinators. He's a hell of a recruiter, and he's all about his players. Clemson is well-funded no doubt, but they were well-funded and very mediocre until he came on board. They gambled when they gave him that job. Look at what they've done since. Looks like the gamble paid off.
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Everything you just mentioned requires money but yet you don't think it is about money.
 
Dirty Jacket said:
Sounds like a great team CEO to me.
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I think you nailed it. The requirements of a head coach have significantly changed over the past 15 years. Dabo is a terrible game-day/tactical coach in the traditional sense; however, he is a great motivator, recruiter and ambassador who is humble enough to surround himself with great coordinators and staff. He appears to be an effective (though goofy) leader. Given CU's resources and sappy/incognizant yet supportive fan base, Dabo is a good fit for CU at this time.
 
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