Why ACC revenues trail others

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Why are ACC schools trailing so much in total revenue?

Is it in the ticket sales? Not really.
ACC teams aren't among the top in ticket sales, but many of them can hang with the likes of Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Florida.

The average ticket sales for the top 60 teams is $22.8M; the ACC average (for the public schools) is $20.8M -- a difference of only $2M.

Is it in the donations? No again.
There are a couple of top 10 teams in the donations category, and several ACC schools do well here.

The average donations for the top 60 teams is $25.5M; the ACC average (for the public schools) is $25.5M -- ACC teams are slightly ahead of the average, in fact.

No, it's the rights and licensing!
The average rights and licensing revenue for the top 60 teams is $46.6M; the ACC average (for the public schools) is $37.7M -- an $8.9M gap!

The crazy part....
Auburn gets about $24 million more than Clemson.
Kentucky gets $31 million more than Louisville.
That's CRAZY!

Keep in mind that a big chunk of this is TV revenue, though there is some radio, apparel, etc. mixed in as well. The ACC Network should make up most of the average gap; individual schools will need to negotiate better-paying apparel deals, etc. on their own.

Link
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2018/07/why-did-acc-schools-make-less-money-in.html
 
wesleyd21 said:
Wal Mart is the devil.
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Probably reflects the truth. Blue collar, non-college-educated, rural America tends to support the programs outside the ACC. Maybe some of the schools in our conference are seen as pretentious or nerdy.
 
jacket67 said:
Probably reflects the truth. Blue collar, non-college-educated, rural America tends to support the programs outside the ACC. Maybe some of the schools in our conference are seen as pretentious or nerdy.
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Or where's the Ag school? Blacksburg, Clemson, Raleigh, Auburn, College Station, Baton Rouge, StarkVegas, Knoxville, Athens, etc.
 
The tension between having schools in or near large media markets (yay! ACC!) and having schools in rural areas with passionate fanbases who buy lots of tickets and apparel, has been much discussed and documented over the past decade. The ACC's strategy can be summarized as, 'when history and fate give you urban lemons, sell them as lemonade to your media partners.'
 
jacket67 said:
Probably reflects the truth. Blue collar, non-college-educated, rural America tends to support the programs outside the ACC. Maybe some of the schools in our conference are seen as pretentious or nerdy.
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Stupid post. What does a college education have to do with supporting a team or buying apparel? Most donations come from graduates of the school. You would think that with all the "success" that our grad crow about, our donations would be higher.
 
jacket67 said:
Probably reflects the truth. Blue collar, non-college-educated, rural America tends to support the programs outside the ACC. Maybe some of the schools in our conference are seen as pretentious or nerdy.
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Rural America supports the “state team”. In Kentucky, that’s UK not Louisville. Why would someone who lives 2 hours away from Louisville in coal country support Louisville? It’s like asking why someone in Atlanta would support Team Chicago over Team America. Same thing for South Carolina and Clemson, Florida and Miami, etc. You can clearly see this in Texas, where UT out raises TAMU despite the SEC affiliation.

There are a few exceptions (Ohio State over Ohio, Penn State over Penn) but the below generally holds.
 
gtphd said:
Rural America supports the “state team”. In Kentucky, that’s UK not Louisville. Why would someone who lives 2 hours away from Louisville in coal country support Louisville? It’s like asking why someone in Atlanta would support Team Chicago over Team America. Same thing for South Carolina and Clemson, Florida and Miami, etc. You can clearly see this in Texas, where UT out raises TAMU despite the SEC affiliation.

There are a few exceptions (Ohio State over Ohio, Penn State over Penn) but the below generally holds.
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The latter aren't exceptions. Ohio state and Penn State ARE the Agriculture schools.

Ohio is a typical classic/liberal arts/sciences school...and well Penn has a colonial charter...
 
The ACC is a conference spread from Boston to Miami. There are very few away fans at many games. There are tons of empty seats at most games. There are few real rivalries. There is very little game day atmosphere. At many ACC schools, football is the second most popular sport. In my opinion, the ACC gets more than what it's worth. I don't know how the ACC hangs on to being a Power Five league. I love Tech and I hate saying these things, but I consider them all true. I wish we were in the SEC, or The Big 10. But, we're not, and I have learned to accept that. What we've got to do id forget about the disadvantages of being in the ACC and just try to win as many games as we can. Worry about Tech, not the ACC. By the way, the ACC was much better when it had 8 teams: MD, UVA, NC, NC State, Duke, WF, Clemson & Tech. It was small, but it had rivalries, you could drive to all away games, and we played home and home in basketball every year. But, since we added so many teams that nobody cares about, no wonder there's not any atmosphere at most of the games. I know that an 8 team league couldn't be a Power 5 conference, but I don't care. Just when will we be one of the BCS four team playoff anyway? Probably never.
 
CiraldoForever said:
The ACC is a conference spread from Boston to Miami. There are very few away fans at many games. There are tons of empty seats at most games. There are few real rivalries. There is very little game day atmosphere. At many ACC schools, football is the second most popular sport. In my opinion, the ACC gets more than what it's worth. I don't know how the ACC hangs on to being a Power Five league. I love Tech and I hate saying these things, but I consider them all true. I wish we were in the SEC, or The Big 10. But, we're not, and I have learned to accept that. What we've got to do id forget about the disadvantages of being in the ACC and just try to win as many games as we can. Worry about Tech, not the ACC. By the way, the ACC was much better when it had 8 teams: MD, UVA, NC, NC State, Duke, WF, Clemson & Tech. It was small, but it had rivalries, you could drive to all away games, and we played home and home in basketball every year. But, since we added so many teams that nobody cares about, no wonder there's not any atmosphere at most of the games. I know that an 8 team league couldn't be a Power 5 conference, but I don't care. Just when will we be one of the BCS four team playoff anyway? Probably never.
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This is the fan that internalizes every ounce of trash talk he gets from his SEC homer buddies and just nods his head. We are not the SEC, but damn dude.

Are you ööööting on the ACC or are you ööööting on Tech? Not sure if you even know the difference. The ACC has been in the CFP every year. Those teams don't count apparently. Especially FSU since we should go back to the 8 team ACC where we at least got to play Maryland every year. Who needs of the game day atmosphere of FSU or VPI.
Drive to all the away games? Syracuse, BC, Miami are the only schools that are greater driving distance than College Park MD. We only play one of them every year. VPI, Louisville, FSU are all closer. Pitt is 20 miles further than UMd was. With all that lack of game day atmosphere, why would anyone want to go to an ACC road game anyway?

Which one of those old ACC rivalries do you miss the most pre expansion? You must really miss those riveting rivalries we had with Wake Forest and NC State in the old 8-Team ACC. Now we get to play scrubs like Miami and VPI every year that nobody cares about.
 
Flunkout is dead on.

IDK about other schools. Our away ticket locations suck 30 shades of bleeding wang. I’m no longer driving 8+ hours to sit behind a brick wall.
 
whenyousaybud said:
Flunkout is dead on.

IDK about other schools. Our away ticket locations suck 30 shades of bleeding wang. I’m no longer driving 8+ hours to sit behind a brick wall.
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Rookie move is buying away game or most bowl tickets from GTAA.
 
I stand by every word I wrote. There is nothing in the world that could get me excited about games with Pitt, Syracuse or BC. But given that we are in this conglomeration of a league, If the ACC put Tech, Clemson, FSU, UNC, Duke & VPI in one division, with ND every other year, we could have much better home attendance, game day atmosphere, & road trips. The problem isn't how far BC, Syracuse, Pitt, etc are from Atlanta, the problem is who wants to go to those places, or even see them at BDS? The division I described above would increase attendance & be attractive TV games, and make it look like the ACC could compete with the SEC for excitement and atmosphere. But don't believe me, just look at the embarrassing half empty stadiums and dead atmosphere at most games that the currently configured ACC is presenting to the live fans & TV audience now. As for the other division of Miami, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, NC State & Duke, with ND every other year, it would at least give those teams a better chance to make the ACCCG or at least a bowl. Then, we could add two other permanent cross over games a year, so all the NC schools could play every year, and one rotating team from the opposite division for 8 conf games a year, not counting ND. Sure, the schedule would be tough for teams in our division, esp us playing UGA every season, but it would give us real football almost every week. And it would give us an attractive product for TV and a reason to make road trips. Just gloating about Clemson being a one team league will not lead to a strong ACC.
 
CiraldoForever said:
I stand by every word I wrote. There is nothing in the world that could get me excited about games with Pitt, Syracuse or BC. But given that we are in this conglomeration of a league, If the ACC put Tech, Clemson, FSU, UNC, Duke & VPI in one division, with ND every other year, we could have much better home attendance, game day atmosphere, & road trips. The problem isn't how far BC, Syracuse, Pitt, etc are from Atlanta, the problem is who wants to go to those places, or even see them at BDS? The division I described above would increase attendance & be attractive TV games, and make it look like the ACC could compete with the SEC for excitement and atmosphere. But don't believe me, just look at the embarrassing half empty stadiums and dead atmosphere at most games that the currently configured ACC is presenting to the live fans & TV audience now. As for the other division of Miami, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, NC State & Duke, with ND every other year, it would at least give those teams a better chance to make the ACCCG or at least a bowl. Then, we could add two other permanent cross over games a year, so all the NC schools could play every year, and one rotating team from the opposite division for 8 conf games a year, not counting ND. Sure, the schedule would be tough for teams in our division, esp us playing UGA every season, but it would give us real football almost every week. And it would give us an attractive product for TV and a reason to make road trips. Just gloating about Clemson being a one team league will not lead to a strong ACC.
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You're still bloviating on about nothing. Tech plays every one of the teams you mentioned in your new improved division every single year except for FSU.

If your position is that we should play FSU instead of Pitt, I'm with you. Everything else is completely nonsensical.

We get it. You hate the ACC. We suck. There's no game day atmosphere. Stadiums are half empty. How can we ever compete. Bigcry.
 
The new ACC does leave a lot to be desired. Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Miami, Louisville? Ugh.

I'll take VPISU. That turned out to be a pretty good addition which is funny since they weren't originally wanted.

I wish we could turn back the clock and go back to the 9 team ACC, but those days are gone.
 
05GTCorndog said:
The new ACC does leave a lot to be desired. Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Miami, Louisville? Ugh.

I'll take VPISU. That turned out to be a pretty good addition which is funny since they weren't originally wanted.

I wish we could turn back the clock and go back to the 9 team ACC, but those days are gone.
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Ideally we wouldn't have been nerds and would have taken WVU instead of BC or Cuse. That would have made Pitt more worth it.

Miami and VPI were good additions. Louisville for Maryland is probably a wash.

I don't miss playing NCST and Wake enough to pine for the old ACC. Do miss FSU though.
 
CiraldoForever said:
I stand by every word I wrote. There is nothing in the world that could get me excited about games with Pitt, Syracuse or BC. But given that we are in this conglomeration of a league, If the ACC put Tech, Clemson, FSU, UNC, Duke & VPI in one division, with ND every other year, we could have much better home attendance, game day atmosphere, & road trips. The problem isn't how far BC, Syracuse, Pitt, etc are from Atlanta, the problem is who wants to go to those places, or even see them at BDS? The division I described above would increase attendance & be attractive TV games, and make it look like the ACC could compete with the SEC for excitement and atmosphere...
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Georgie plays Vanderbilt, Kentucky (away), and Missouri (away) next season; how is this any better than the ACC match-ups we are forced into?
 
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