Paul Johnson deserved better.

We are bottom 3rd in talent in the league, but are still P5 level in talent. We definitely could use a better S&C coach.

5 wins would be my minimum expectation. 7 is possible. Everyone knows this team underperformed at 7 wins
 
ACC's at one of its lowest points in a while. Many on here may disagree, but outside of Clemson, you could make an argument the AAC may have been as strong as the ACC this year.
 
WracerX said:
We are bottom 3rd in talent in the league, but are still P5 level in talent. We definitely could use a better S&C coach.

5 wins would be my minimum expectation. 7 is possible. Everyone knows this team underperformed at 7 wins
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I have no idea how this team won 7 games. I was at most of the games and I still have no idea how we won 7 games. This was not a very good football team at all.
 
sthorfinnr said:
ACC's at one of its lowest points in a while. Many on here may disagree, but outside of Clemson, you could make an argument the AAC may have been as strong as the ACC this year.
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I do agree the AAC East has been as tough or tougher the last two years as the ACC Coastal. Collins went 11-5 there so that gives me a little hope.
 
Lion82 said:
What I think Collins brings that a lot of the GT fans want desperately is conformity. Win or lose, Collins will do it in a manner that is more acceptable to the fan base.
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What CGC brings is the exact OPPOSITE of conformity.

CGC's message is that GT is unique and special, and we need to find a path to success that takes advantage of our strengths, that allows us to win BECAUSE we are Georgia Tech. We will not try to win the same way Georgie or Bama win, but we will try to win OUR way, with our spirit.

When Dodd, Alexander, and Heisman beat the Georgies and Bamas, they did so with spirit, not a gimmick scheme. Gailey/Tenuta tried to win with gimmick blitz defenses. Johnson tried to win with gimmick option offense. Both had success, but the successes were limited, as the more you saw each the better you could handle each.

CGC will not trot out gimmicks in scheme. Neither did Dodd, et. al. to my knowledge. They relied on spirit to win, or at least keep it close, and the coach would "think of something" to seal the win. The schemes were good, but not unique or niche.

CGC pushes spirit. Defense and special teams are mostly about effort and execution, and that is what he promises. Temple was developing a pretty good offense, and we will see what we do here. Our advantages will not be that we will try to catch an inexperienced coach unawares. It will be that we will outfight the other guys, and do so with comparable athletes.

I don't know what our record CGC's first two years will be. Bobby Ross was 5-17 his first two years here, and winless in conference. If you are setting floors and demands for 2019 and 2020 now, you are just being an ass and in your heart you know it. I am confident CGC will not make excuses for his losses and will credit his players for his wins. That is how it should be.
 
One thing I hope and kinda expect to see from CGC is a Coach who is not so married to a 'system' that he can't get out of the way of a player's talent. There are times when, just because someone doesn't know the whole playbook or doesn't have the footwork or mechanics you'd like, but the end result is BETTER with that player on the field, you put the guy on the field who can win the game.
 
Techbert said:
What CGC brings is the exact OPPOSITE of conformity.

CGC's message is that GT is unique and special, and we need to find a path to success that takes advantage of our strengths, that allows us to win BECAUSE we are Georgia Tech. We will not try to win the same way Georgie or Bama win, but we will try to win OUR way, with our spirit.

When Dodd, Alexander, and Heisman beat the Georgies and Bamas, they did so with spirit, not a gimmick scheme. Gailey/Tenuta tried to win with gimmick blitz defenses. Johnson tried to win with gimmick option offense. Both had success, but the successes were limited, as the more you saw each the better you could handle each.

CGC will not trot out gimmicks in scheme. Neither did Dodd, et. al. to my knowledge. They relied on spirit to win, or at least keep it close, and the coach would "think of something" to seal the win. The schemes were good, but not unique or niche.

CGC pushes spirit. Defense and special teams are mostly about effort and execution, and that is what he promises. Temple was developing a pretty good offense, and we will see what we do here. Our advantages will not be that we will try to catch an inexperienced coach unawares. It will be that we will outfight the other guys, and do so with comparable athletes.

I don't know what our record CGC's first two years will be. Bobby Ross was 5-17 his first two years here, and winless in conference. If you are setting floors and demands for 2019 and 2020 now, you are just being an ass and in your heart you know it. I am confident CGC will not make excuses for his losses and will credit his players for his wins. That is how it should be.
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The first part of this rant is wrong and ignorant on so many levels.

as for the spirit and selling the school I do believe CGC will do a good job of this I just don’t think or product is one that resonates with most of the talent we need to be better than UGA. If we are not better than UGA we will not be a great or nationally relevant program. I am as of now unconvinced that Coach Collins and his staff provide enough of a schematic advantage to win on equal footing against the ACC and UGA.

I love how NOW having floors is being an ass but meanwhile when we were ACTUALLY achieving öööö under Johnson it was all smoke and mirrors and ther peoples doing.

CGC has a 7-year contract which shows me our AD thinks this team has no talent and no ability to win games. It also means there’s is great risk that we will be forced to endure quite a few bad seasons due to “roster turnover.” All because we don’t dare to be different. It’s just dumb. But like I said before at least we will be in shotgun.
 
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I hate that this is how the era ended, but I think the way it ended will allow those on the fence to accept the change a little more easily, at least that’s how I am feeling.
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That’s exactly how I see it. Had CPJ hung 70 on his opponent today we would’ve seen a lot of house-divided crapola.

This might’ve actually been the clean break we needed...although I definitely wasn’t rooting for it to happen,nor expecting it
 
thwg said:
Do you really believe this? I see so little talent especially on the DL and OL. CGC will have to win on scheme alone meaning blitzing, blitzing some more, and then creating new blitzes. I do think our ST will be much improved even though PJ is leaving us with a helluva kicker.
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So in your mind CPJ is a miracle worker then. Considering he’s gone 20-15 in the regular season and 13-11 in conference with the current class of rising seniors.
 
GTCrew4b said:
So in your mind CPJ is a miracle worker then. Considering he’s gone 20-15 in the regular season and 13-11 in conference with the current class of rising seniors.
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He has the same record as Gailey. Was Gailey a miracle worker?
 
GTCrew4b said:
If we are not better than UGA we will not be a great or nationally relevant program
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This is a silly statement. You're effectively saying that if we're not a top 5 team, we're not relevant. I suppose it depends on how you define "relevant", but I think there's plenty of room for improvement that could take place without surpassing UGA.

GTCrew4b said:
I love how NOW having floors is being an ass but meanwhile when we were ACTUALLY achieving öööö under Johnson it was all smoke and mirrors and ther peoples doing.
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Things are different now because we are transitioning from an extremely unusual offense, and a new coach, ANY new coach, would need to be given time to get some different personnel on the team. That being said, I expect people to lower their standards for CGC in the event he is no better than CPJ. There have been people waiting for and rooting for CPJ to fail since he got here because his success proves/proved their incorrect prediction that his offense couldn't work in P5.

GTCrew4b said:
CGC has a 7-year contract which shows me our AD thinks this team has no talent and no ability to win games. It also means there’s is great risk that we will be forced to endure quite a few bad seasons due to “roster turnover.”
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You can't seriously think "roster turnover" isn't a valid reason for patience. Particularly given our unique situation? I've said since we hired CPJ that we might suck for a while once he leaves. It's just common sense.

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All because we don’t dare to be different. It’s just dumb. But like I said before at least we will be in shotgun.
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While I agree there are "fans" who have hated the offense since day 1, CPJ isn't leaving because the school doesn't want to be different. He's leaving because the on-field results are sub-standard and have been for the better part of 4 years now. It was a good run that I enjoyed thoroughly, but it was clearly time for a change.
 
BigDanT said:
It’s all about quarterback and if you don’t think that then you are blind. We have had zero passing threat. All of CPJs past qbs look like manning next to Taquan.
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I completely agree, and I'm surprised this statement isn't made more often. Quan was terrible.

I wonder how this season would've gone if Lucas had been healthy. It also baffles me that Tobias didn't get more snaps this year.
 
Lion82 said:
What I think Collins brings that a lot of the GT fans want desperately is conformity. Win or lose, Collins will do it in a manner that is more acceptable to the fan base.
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CPJ has the same FBS win % as Gailey. Yet he has defenders and Gailey has absolutely none. To claim that Tech fans prefer Gailey over CPJ is to be living in bizzaro world.

If anything CPJ’s unconventionality has helped his stature.
 
Games like this were the death of Paul Johnson's career on the Flats. They became more frequent over time.The most important take away from this game: No staff were retained. Thank goodness for that.
 
JackD said:
You can't seriously think "roster turnover" isn't a valid reason for patience. Particularly given our unique situation? I've said since we hired CPJ that we might suck for a while once he leaves. It's just common sense.

While I agree there are "fans" who have hated the offense since day 1, CPJ isn't leaving because the school doesn't want to be different. He's leaving because the on-field results are sub-standard and have been for the better part of 4 years now. It was a good run that I enjoyed thoroughly, but it was clearly time for a change.
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I think the latter parts were about hiring away from the option. That the "roster turnover" wouldn't be as bad if we kept the offense but that we didn't cause we didn't want to be different. I think that is what he was getting at, at least.
 
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