Comparing quarterbacks

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BigDanT

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If there is any one measure we can point to that helps us compare success of the 3-0 it’s qb. Here’s a good look:

https://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/2...ngs-comparing-quarterbacks-in-the-johnson-era

I’ve said it many times but our success boils down to the qb and o line. Look at how many times Quon kept the ball. He had almost the same number of carries as Justin Thomas or Tevin with one less season. Think about that. We were so close these last ten years to crazy amounts of success. But not all qbs could be the same as JT.
 
I would have rather had Sam Ehlinger this season. He is a load to bring down, can truck some guys and doesn't usually go down once a defender enters his personal space.
 
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helluvaparamedic said:
I would have rather had Sam Ehlinger this season. He is a load to bring down, can truck some guys and doesn't usually go dow once a defender enters his personal space.
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And will score on 4th and goal so he can run 2 minutes off the clock in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down
 
wesleyd21 said:
Once teams found out all they had to do was stop TQM running the ball it became VERY easy to defend.
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That's the biggest difference, IMO. It also held us back with Tevin, although to a much lesser degree. Think about how many 3rd downs we completed by completing a crucial pass under JT or even Nesbitt. TM did it this year against Miami and it ultimately won us the game. The problem is that was an anomaly. I love the TO but you can't win at an high level without a legit passing threat.
 
Something was broken in CPJ's offense the past couple of years. No matter which QB was in there, all they did was run QB keeper literally 90% of the time. Mysteriously, some teams could not stop this single play concept. The teams that did stop it, though, made the TO look inept as nothing else was open. Even when TQM decided to pitch it, it looked like he waited too long vs. a quick pitch appeared the better option.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Something was broken in CPJ's offense the past couple of years. No matter which QB was in there, all they did was run QB keeper literally 90% of the time. Mysteriously, some teams could not stop this single play concept. The teams that did stop it, though, made the TO look inept as nothing else was open. Even when TQM decided to pitch it, it looked like he waited too long vs. a quick pitch appeared the better option.
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Rules changes about blocks below the waist.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Something was broken in CPJ's offense the past couple of years. No matter which QB was in there, all they did was run QB keeper literally 90% of the time. Mysteriously, some teams could not stop this single play concept. The teams that did stop it, though, made the TO look inept as nothing else was open. Even when TQM decided to pitch it, it looked like he waited too long vs. a quick pitch appeared the better option.
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It was two things Imo:
1. Qb passing threat/ option reading
2. Less dominate o line/injury

I once heard Paul talk about if the b back group got more that around 1500 yards a year then the offense was good. Less than that and it wasn’t.

Our b back production has been garbage since 2016.
 
Agree that the offense seemed limited the past few seasons. I loved shifting Orwin Smith to a more traditional wishbone position and then running him on a counter. The wheel route pass vanished. Quick out routes were infrequent. It was as if we only had part of the offense implemented.
 
Techbert said:
Yeah. Sometimes it looked like we were running the 1O.

Oliver was even worse.
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At least Oliver was more effective at the single option vs TQM single option. Alas, deep in our hearts, we know Oliver was not sustainable and we at least had to have the threat of the pitch or pass before defenses took him away. Having said that, TQM was only a "punchers chance" threat of the pass and defense could cheat against the run nearly without penalty.
 
To me, it all comes down to passing. They could just put 11 on the line and dare us to run it. Just a small chance of us completing a pass would keep them honest enough for the offense to run like it's designed to.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
At least Oliver was more effective at the single option vs TQM single option. Alas, deep in our hearts, we know Oliver was not sustainable and we at least had to have the threat of the pitch or pass before defenses took him away. Having said that, TQM was only a "punchers chance" threat of the pass and defense could cheat against the run nearly without penalty.
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Oliver looks like he would be very dangerous running either tailback out of the I or Wildcat snaptaker. He is very quick to full speed and could benefit from having the play develop in front of him.
 
I think looking at line and qb only is underrating wr. Bebe and Smelter were security blankets for our qbs, they were always the go to target in a way we haven't had recently. The fall off from 09 to 10 and and 14 to 15 matches with those guys leaving not qb changes. Yes, we also had OL changes, but OL is always in turnover since its almost half of the offensive positions
 
Tshirt Man said:
To me, it all comes down to passing. They could just put 11 on the line and dare us to run it. Just a small chance of us completing a pass would keep them honest enough for the offense to run like it's designed to.
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I still can’t believe that Justin Thomas had 39 passing touchdowns in his career.
 
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