Transfers heating up...as needed

ibeeballin said:
But if I’m giving 100% in the Corporate Finance class but still fail. Guess what my scholarship is gone. I’m not sure why we are acting the student and athlete part not equally yoked. There are commitments that must be met on both ends to uphold my end of the bargain. If I’m caught you are 2-3 yrs and can’t even contribute on STs, that is an issue and maybe this level of competition is not for you
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Again, what's up with the false equivalencies? By stipulation I'm positing that the S/A is keeping up his grades. I agree completely that perhaps "this level of competition is not for you" – but we shouldn't punish the S/A for our mistake. These aren't employees and these aren't jobs. These are people we've persuaded to join the Tech family, to invest their formative years in us, to pass on other good opportunities to play here. We owe it to the ones we misjudge to at least let them stay here with their friends and the "golden academic opportunity" we sold them on.

TBH, I'm shocked how many people on the board think it's OK to yank a scholarship because we found somebody else who can run faster.
 
18in32 said:
Not following you. I'm stipulating that the kid is keeping up his grades. And pulling a scholarship is the functional equivalent to kicking him out of school.
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Ok look at it this way:

Academic scholarship---->Poor academic performance---->Lose scholarship

Athletic scholarship---->Poor athletic performance---->Keep scholarship


See the difference?
 
Competition is King. The day you sign your scholarship papers is not the top of the mountain, it’s the base. They have been granted the privilege of having an opportunity to compete with their teammates while getting a world-class education. If they can’t compete, someone else will. There are no more participation trophies. Everything in life has to be earned every day. A football scholarship has to be earned on every play. Competition breeds success. Coddling breeds complacency.
 
Players sign up to see the field on saturday, not just practice. If Coach is simply telling a bunch of guys that they're never seeing the field, and they're transferring because of that information, then I'm good with it
 
Ish said:
Players sign up to see the field on saturday, not just practice. If Coach is simply telling a bunch of guys that they're never seeing the field, and they're transferring because of that information, then I'm good with it
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Agreed. I think everyone's on the same page about that scenario.
 
Most of these guys want to play for the best program posible. The key word is play. Some of them came to Tech because we were the only P5 offer they had. However, if they are not going to play, they would prefer to transfer to a non-P5 school where they will have significant playing time.
 
ClubSeats said:
Competition is King. The day you sign your scholarship papers is not the top of the mountain, it’s the base. They have been granted the privilege of having an opportunity to compete with their teammates while getting a world-class education. If they can’t compete, someone else will. There are no more participation trophies. Everything in life has to be earned every day. A football scholarship has to be earned on every play. Competition breeds success. Coddling breeds complacency.
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It's funny how y'all are okay with yanking a scholarship of a kid because he might not have shown promise during one spring practice but we're supposed to reserve judgment on Geoff for three or four years even though he's inheriting a team that had the fourth-best record in ACC play.
 
GoGATech said:
Ok look at it this way:

Academic scholarship---->Poor academic performance---->Lose scholarship

Athletic scholarship---->Poor athletic performance---->Keep scholarship


See the difference?
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A bad analogy is like a pelmet.

If you're going to analogize to academics, then the equivalent would be giving an academic scholarship to a kid, but the following year we found another kid we thought was even smarter, and so took it away from the first kid to give to the second kid, even though the first kid was doing everything we'd asked of him when we gave him the scholarship.
 
Look at it this way too:

GT Average SAT Score: 1295
GT Average GPA: 3.98
GT Acceptance Rate: 23.4%

So:

Joe Athlete has a 3.0 GPA, 1125 SAT, gets athletic scholarship and doesn't ever see the field for 2 years.

Joe Student has a 3.7 GPA, 1250 SAT, doesn't get accepted into GT.

That is why you don't "owe" them a scholarship or a GT degree. They are basically signing a contract to contribute to the football team in return for their education. And another point, nobody has said we have pulled scholarships anyway. We may not have. But even so, nobody is stopping these kids from continuing their education at GT and completing their degree if they wish to.
 
18in32 said:
A bad analogy is like a pelmet.

If you're going to analogize to academics, then the equivalent would be giving an academic scholarship to a kid, but the following year we found another kid we thought was even smarter, and so took it away from the first kid to give to the second kid, even though the first kid was doing everything we'd asked of him when we gave him the scholarship.
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If those scholarships were limited in the same way football scholarships are, you'd see exactly that.
 
GoGATech said:
Look at it this way too:

GT Average SAT Score: 1295
GT Average GPA: 3.98
GT Acceptance Rate: 23.4%

So:

Joe Athlete has a 3.0 GPA, 1125 SAT, gets athletic scholarship and doesn't ever see the field for 2 years.

Joe Student has a 3.7 GPA, 1250 SAT, doesn't get accepted into GT.

That is why you don't "owe" them a scholarship or a GT degree. They are basically signing a contract to contribute to the football team in return for their education. And another point, nobody has said we have pulled scholarships anyway. We may not have. But even so, nobody is stopping these kids from continuing their education at GT and completing their degree if they wish to.
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even worse false equivalence.
 
18in32 said:
Again, what's up with the false equivalencies? By stipulation I'm positing that the S/A is keeping up his grades. I agree completely that perhaps "this level of competition is not for you" – but we shouldn't punish the S/A for our mistake. These aren't employees and these aren't jobs. These are people we've persuaded to join the Tech family, to invest their formative years in us, to pass on other good opportunities to play here. We owe it to the ones we misjudge to at least let them stay here with their friends and the "golden academic opportunity" we sold them on.

TBH, I'm shocked how many people on the board think it's OK to yank a scholarship because we found somebody else who can run faster.
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So CGC must pay for the sins of CPJ for taking obvious reaches in recruiting by honoring their scholarship when there is absolutely no chance of them contributing?
 
If a player signs a contract to play for Tech, and then decides to leave for another school for whatever the reason (girlfriend, homesick, better team, more likely to make Pro) is that OK?
 
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CGC is making the tough decisions that are required to compete with the best programs in CFB. I want to win BIG at GT and am willing to tolerate a little collateral damage in that pursuit.
 
18in32 said:
We owe it to the ones we misjudge to at least let them stay here with their friends and the "golden academic opportunity" we sold them on.
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You're also basing this on a lot of assumption. How do you know that the "golden academic opportunity" is what sold them? They may just want to play and play at the highest level possible, and we very well were the best offer for many of these guys. Of course the education and degree from GT should be desirable by anyone, but some of them may just want to play and be seen playing, with the degree just being an added perk.
 
GoGATech said:
But even so, nobody is stopping these kids from continuing their education at GT and completing their degree if they wish to.
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To "contribute to the football team"? No, to do what we ask of him to contribute to the football team. Big difference.

And yanking a scholarship is the functional equivalent of kicking somebody out of school. "Please come to GT for free! Sorry we found someone faster. But you're welcome to spend $40k a year if you love us that much!"
 
GoGATech said:
You're also basing this on a lot of assumption. How do you know that the "golden academic opportunity" is what sold them? They may just want to play and play at the highest level possible, and we very well were the best offer for many of these guys. Of course the education and degree from GT should be desirable by anyone, but some of them may just want to play and be seen playing, with the degree just being an added perk.
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We're not talking about kids who voluntarily leave to get more playing time elsewhere.
 
Ed Sawyer said:
It's funny how y'all are okay with yanking a scholarship of a kid because he might not have shown promise during one spring practice but we're supposed to reserve judgment on Geoff for three or four years even though he's inheriting a team that had the fourth-best record in ACC play.
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Well, if you are going to force him to honor scholarships to players who can’t contribute on STs after being in the program 2-3yrs, don’t fit scheme, or without a position then you have to give him leniency.
 
ibeeballin said:
So CGC must pay for the sins of CPJ for taking obvious reaches in recruiting by honoring their scholarship when there is absolutely no chance of them contributing?
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Absolutely. Most definitely part of the deal when new coaches consider accepting new jobs, and when AD's are structuring those new coaches' contracts.

And FFS, we did win *some* games the past few years.
 
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