Transfers heating up...as needed

18in32 said:
The problem is that we found somebody faster so they're losing their "make a decision that lasts a lifetime" GT education.
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That's actually not the problem. Rumor is that we will have around 9 transfer. We don't have guys lined up waiting to come in. We are a couple over right now, but normal attrition will typically clear that up. I don't think we're forcing anyone out because we have someone waiting to come in.
 
18in32 said:
Yeah, the analogy is wrong. But I've already explained why, and if you disagree, I don't think there's much more to be said.
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What I don’t understand is that you evidently won’t accept that this is how it’s always been, as attested to by former players.
 
18in32 said:
Yeah, the analogy is wrong. But I've already explained why, and if you disagree, I don't think there's much more to be said.
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Your explanation of why the analogy is wrong is wrong. And if you disagree, I don't think there is much more to be said.
 
18in32 said:
nor do we want them taking athletic scholarships. [...]
a decision that lasts a lifetime" GT education.
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Assuming that CPJ would've honored that "decision" and that CGC will honor the decision for his guys, do you think that the new coach should have to honor the commitments made by his predecessors? Also, in another thread I think we have offered more kids than we have schollys to give by a long shot. And Nebraska has offered like 400 kids. What do you think happens when more than the available allotment comes in ready to commit?

aeromech said:
That would not really solve the problem unless you think the policy is only for players recruited by CPJ and will not continue with current recruits. The question really is should GT not honor the scholarships of players than don't pan out.
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If the coaching staff doesn't change then I think the players should be retained, from a morality standpoint. But with a coaching change, I don't think that CGC should be required to keep players that he can't use. Tough reality, but that's life.
 
ncjacket said:
What I don’t understand is that you evidently won’t accept that this is how it’s always been, as attested to by former players.
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Why would you think I won't accept that? I wasn't aware we were discussing how CPJ or other prior coaches did things? If any prior coach was forcing out scholarship players who were giving their all, then that's disgraceful. I know Dodd never did that.

This thread is an excellent example of the lesson that people remember 10% of what you tell them but 100% of how you make them feel.
 
18in32 said:
Good – I hope you're right.
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And this may have gotten misconstrued in the context, but this is my opinion, and mine only about scholarships. If you aren't contributing to the point that coach believes you will ever be an asset to the team, then I believe he has the right to pull down your scholarship. I don't think a coach should ever pull one just because we have somebody else wanting to come in that will be better than one we already have.
 
coit said:
Assuming that CPJ would've honored that "decision" and that CGC will honor the decision for his guys, do you think that the new coach should have to honor the commitments made by his predecessors? Also, in another thread I think we have offered more kids than we have schollys to give by a long shot. And Nebraska has offered like 400 kids. What do you think happens when more than the available allotment comes in ready to commit?
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Are you talking about non-binding recruiting commitments or about actual signed scholarship? The former is fair game – the kids got time to take other offers or choose to walk-on or whatever he wants to do. After he's on campus, enrolled in class, making friends, training with the team, etc., then certainly the coach should honor previous coaches' decisions to invest in the kid.

I have no idea what you're talking about with Nebraska's 400 offers. I'm sure many of them are offered on a "first come first served" basis. What's interesting about that?
 
GoGATech said:
And this may have gotten misconstrued in the context, but this is my opinion, and mine only about scholarships. If you aren't contributing to the point that coach believes you will ever be an asset to the team, then I believe he has the right to pull down your scholarship. I don't think a coach should ever pull one just because we have somebody else wanting to come in that will be better than one we already have.
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Indeed. That is why they are one year ships.
 
GoGATech said:
And this may have gotten misconstrued in the context, but this is my opinion, and mine only about scholarships. If you aren't contributing to the point that coach believes you will ever be an asset to the team, then I believe he has the right to pull down your scholarship. I don't think a coach should ever pull one just because we have somebody else wanting to come in that will be better than one we already have.
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Nobody who signs a scholarship to play at GT is worse than an empty roster spot. They only get asked to leave to make way for somebody coaches think will be better.
 
oldgold68 said:
Just for perspective, Clemson has 3 in portal and BAMA has 7. Several leaving to get more playing time. Several leaving at their own volition. Don't know reasons for all. By comparison, our 3 (as of now) are not out of line.
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Ours, as of this moment, are below what it has been for the last 2 regimes.
 
coit said:
For point of reference, were you OK with CPJ continuing on indefinitely or where you ready for a change here and now?

I get the feeling you were in the former camp.

So, I recommend that you and those of you that are like minded fund academic schollys that we can transition these guys over to if they want to stay at GT but not play football. Problem solved?
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Great idea. Put money where their thoughts are.
 
Some of y'all jumped to some BIG assumptions. I really doubt we are pulling scholarships. I imagine it's a frank conversation on where the player stands and that if they want more playing time then they'll need to find that elsewhere.
 
coit said:
Assuming that CPJ would've honored that "decision" and that CGC will honor the decision for his guys, do you think that the new coach should have to honor the commitments made by his predecessors? Also, in another thread I think we have offered more kids than we have schollys to give by a long shot. And Nebraska has offered like 400 kids. What do you think happens when more than the available allotment comes in ready to commit?



If the coaching staff doesn't change then I think the players should be retained, from a morality standpoint. But with a coaching change, I don't think that CGC should be required to keep players that he can't use. Tough reality, but that's life.
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I think the school should honor the scholarship, that is partly why you give a coach a 3 year grace period. If the kid wants to leave on their own volition that is fine too. I'm not ok with the school simply yanking the scholarship unless there is a disciplinary reason or some other justifying circumstance.
 
xenoabe said:
Some of y'all jumped to some BIG assumptions. I really doubt we are pulling scholarships. I imagine it's a frank conversation on where the player stands and that if they want more playing time then they'll need to find that elsewhere.
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There is a lot of semantics going on. What you described is probably all that is needed the vast, vast majority of the time.
 
aeromech said:
I think the school should honor the scholarship, that is partly why you give a coach a 3 year grace period. If the kid wants to leave on their own volition that is fine too. I'm not ok with the school simply yanking the scholarship unless there is a disciplinary reason or some other justifying circumstance.
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Which is weird because that's what I think, too, so why were you arguing with me?
 
18in32 said:
Problem solved if the problem were a lack of academic scholarship funding. But that ain't the problem. The problem is that they don't qualify for academic scholarships, nor do we want them taking athletic scholarships.

The problem is that we found somebody faster so they're losing their "make a decision that lasts a lifetime" GT education.
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Why couldn’t they qualify for the academic ships funded by those opposing CGC doing what has been done before?

Wouldn’t you set up a special criteria for those few people?
 
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