Something is about to go down in California

GTCrew

Patrick Henry
Joined
Jul 25, 2002
Messages
49,873
I wasn't sure if I should post this in the football or the pro sports forum.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/sports/college-athlete-pay-california.html

Allowing college athletes to be able to cash in on endorsements...
California is so stupid. This doesn't change anything. Players and schools are free to do this now, it simply results in forfeiting their games. They cant affect that result. Any game against a cali team will be a scrimmage where you get a W. It will be great!
 

JJacket

Declared dead for tax purposes.
Joined
May 20, 2003
Messages
86,787
California is so stupid. This doesn't change anything. Players and schools are free to do this now, it simply results in forfeiting their games. They cant affect that result. Any game against a cali team will be a scrimmage where you get a W. It will be great!
Vacated or forfeited? Vacated doesn't give the other team a win.
 

GT65_UGA89

We’re a Coca-Cola school
Joined
Nov 18, 2005
Messages
12,008
California is so stupid. This doesn't change anything. Players and schools are free to do this now, it simply results in forfeiting their games. They cant affect that result. Any game against a cali team will be a scrimmage where you get a W. It will be great!
Load up the OOC schedule with PAC-12 teams!

Edit: Oh wait, JJ has a point there.
 

JJacket

Declared dead for tax purposes.
Joined
May 20, 2003
Messages
86,787
It was pretty dumb when that Gagger running back, old whatshisname, got suspended for games for selling a jersey he owned.
 

GTCrew

Patrick Henry
Joined
Jul 25, 2002
Messages
49,873
Vacated or forfeited? Vacated doesn't give the other team a win.
Thats up to the NCAA to decide.

We coukd knowingly trot out the Falcons, beat the öööö out of UGA, and while we wouldn't get the win it would saddle them with a loss?

I'd be OK with that.
 

TampaBayJacket

Dodd-Like
Joined
Feb 26, 2009
Messages
4,258
I am torn on this one. On one hand I prefer the "appearance" of amateurism and purity in our college athletics but on the other hand, we know these guys are getting paid serious money to attend the football/basketball factories already so might as well start paying taxes on that cash. Rather than paid endorsements, though, just limit it to profiting from social media accounts where clicks and relevance = dollars. I'd rather not see Trevor Lawrence in my next State Farm commercial.
 

ScionOfSouthland

Dodd-Like
Joined
Nov 29, 2009
Messages
34,796
I am torn on this one. On one hand I prefer the "appearance" of amateurism and purity in our college athletics but on the other hand, we know these guys are getting paid serious money to attend the football/basketball factories already so might as well start paying taxes on that cash. Rather than paid endorsements, though, just limit it to profiting from social media accounts where clicks and relevance = dollars. I'd rather not see Trevor Lawrence in my next State Farm commercial.
I’m fine with seeing Trevor Lawrence on my next State Farm commercial. I’m also fine knowing that ending amateurism in football would completely upend the sport. Professional football is the only job I know of (a dangerous one at that) where you can have all of the prerequisite skills at 18 but have to arbitrarily do the job for 3-4 years before you can start making money. It isn’t in the best interest of the athlete and people want to maintain the status quo either for entertainment or because it is a cash cow IMO.
 

smokey_wasp

Dodd-Like
Joined
Nov 25, 2013
Messages
11,021
California is so stupid. This doesn't change anything. Players and schools are free to do this now, it simply results in forfeiting their games. They cant affect that result. Any game against a cali team will be a scrimmage where you get a W. It will be great!
What happens when California teams play each other? It doesn't count at all? You think the NCAA would really stick to its guns on that? The Pac12 sucks, but I doubt the NCAA wants to lose the entire west coast. And you know other states are going to follow suit. Oregon, Washington and New York do as Cali does. I dunno how it will play out, but it might be wise for the NCAA to make a move in that direction on its own.
 

gtrower

Dodd-Like
Joined
Aug 22, 2010
Messages
9,911
I’m fine with seeing Trevor Lawrence on my next State Farm commercial. I’m also fine knowing that ending amateurism in football would completely upend the sport. Professional football is the only job I know of (a dangerous one at that) where you can have all of the prerequisite skills at 18 but have to arbitrarily do the job for 3-4 years before you can start making money. It isn’t in the best interest of the athlete and people want to maintain the status quo either for entertainment or because it is a cash cow IMO.
If I’m not mistaken the age limit for NFL is there for player safety. Has nothing to do with college.
 

DeepSnap

Flats Noob
Joined
Dec 24, 2001
Messages
763
If I’m not mistaken the age limit for NFL is there for player safety. Has nothing to do with college.
Nope. Unlike the NBAPA, the NFLPA doesn't want the job competition. The NBA long ago gave up caring about its feeder system, but the NFL still cares because they know the physical differences in an 18 YO vs 22 YO FB player. NBA? Not so much.

At the end of the day, it's all about the Collective Bargaining Agreement & that overrules everything.
 

midatlantech

Dodd-Like
Joined
Aug 20, 2003
Messages
6,680
This is disappointing. We are a free market society theoretically, but the NCAA is a private club that's being interfered with.

I get the whole let's get these kids rich for their efforts, but I also believe that it will kill college football. The rich just get richer and richer. We are headed to a 30 team professional league now. Every kid will have a marketing department and worry about the size of the market, the fan base, etc instead of enjoying the end of their youth and getting an education.

"On the ACCN, see John Doe choose his college....sponsored by Addidas." Gosh the whole basketball thing is really going to get ugly. "#2 recruit Jason Doe just shocked the world by not signing with Duke. His decision was craftfully determined. He can make 1.3x the marketing dollars playing for St. Johns and he's following the money!" "#3 recruit Ned Moe Money is signing with UCLA. He's already signed up for a 8 commercial deal with The Bruins Company".
 

midatlantech

Dodd-Like
Joined
Aug 20, 2003
Messages
6,680
And it's not stopping in college folks. It's going to be in high school now. Kids will sue their public schools to allow them to go wherever the money is greatest.
 

Allen Koholic

Likes dick drawings.
Joined
Dec 10, 2007
Messages
25,776
And it's not stopping in college folks. It's going to be in high school now. Kids will sue their public schools to allow them to go wherever the money is greatest.
High schoolers can already go to private schools, which is just fine by me, so long as public funds aren't used to subsidize the school's existence.
 

JJacket

Declared dead for tax purposes.
Joined
May 20, 2003
Messages
86,787
This is disappointing. We are a free market society theoretically, but the NCAA is a private club that's being interfered with.

I get the whole let's get these kids rich for their efforts, but I also believe that it will kill college football. The rich just get richer and richer. We are headed to a 30 team professional league now. Every kid will have a marketing department and worry about the size of the market, the fan base, etc instead of enjoying the end of their youth and getting an education.

"On the ACCN, see John Doe choose his college....sponsored by Addidas." Gosh the whole basketball thing is really going to get ugly. "#2 recruit Jason Doe just shocked the world by not signing with Duke. His decision was craftfully determined. He can make 1.3x the marketing dollars playing for St. Johns and he's following the money!" "#3 recruit Ned Moe Money is signing with UCLA. He's already signed up for a 8 commercial deal with The Bruins Company".
If the NCAA wants to be a private sports operation, public schools need to withdraw from the organization
 

johncu

Dodd-Like
Joined
Mar 17, 2011
Messages
9,557
I am torn on this one. On one hand I prefer the "appearance" of amateurism and purity in our college athletics but on the other hand, we know these guys are getting paid serious money to attend the football/basketball factories already so might as well start paying taxes on that cash. Rather than paid endorsements, though, just limit it to profiting from social media accounts where clicks and relevance = dollars. I'd rather not see Trevor Lawrence in my next State Farm commercial.
I'm not torn at all. Paying players will destroy whatever semblance of "college" football we have left. People whose sole goal is to play football and earn money have no business in college for 3+ years anyway. What we need is a massive lawsuit against the NFL that allows players to enter the draft whenever they want. Then if the NFL is serious about safety being a reason for the age limit, they'll create a developmental league where kids can play and get paid.
 

GT98

Dodd-Like
Joined
Jan 29, 2002
Messages
4,212
This is disappointing. We are a free market society theoretically, but the NCAA is a private club that's being interfered with.

I get the whole let's get these kids rich for their efforts, but I also believe that it will kill college football. The rich just get richer and richer. We are headed to a 30 team professional league now. Every kid will have a marketing department and worry about the size of the market, the fan base, etc instead of enjoying the end of their youth and getting an education
System needs to be burned to the ground and start over. The colleges built what is going on now. When schools are pumping millions upon millions into player lounges and slides (i.e. Clemson) whatever romantic notion of the amateur athlete that many seems to have has been long gone. These kids are already have a (mini) marketing dept w/social media now with the nonsense involved with recruiting. The overwhelming majority of these kids aren't there for any education nor do they care about a degree.
 
Top