This was set in motion and predestined the very moment Paul Johnson was hired

GTRules

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Because we all knew that one day we would scrap his offense and have to rebuild. From scratch. With undersized players that only know how to run.

Citadel is a worst case scenario loss. Did anyone seriously think we would win more than 2 or 3 this year?

That said, we still should have been able to recruit most any HS QB from SOMEWHERE that wanted to be an Engineer that can throw a ball. But that is about the only thing I can gripe about here.

Also I think if Oliver is in the whole game and we keep running, we win.

Everybody is as sick as I am about this, but that doesn’t change the inevitability of what we were going to have to face eventually if we wanted to be back in modern offensive style.

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Good lord shut the öööö up.
 

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Quit repeating this myth. He quit because saw he couldn't compete in today's college football with the talent he was bringing in. We are in the process of ripping off the bandaid right now, and its gonna hurt for a while.

You’re showing your ignorance if you think CPJ made his “retirement” decision on his own. While he may have not been asked to leave, he’s not a dumbass, and there was no way in hell he was going to have it LOOK like he was fired.
 

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the transition would have been painful, but at least hes actually a good coach and doesn't call timeouts when we're scoring a touchdown.
We weren’t scoring anything when he was trying to call a timeout. The ball had not been snapped.
 

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the transition would have been painful, but at least hes actually a good coach and doesn't call timeouts when we're scoring a touchdown.
Leach has a system, and runs it very well. I firmly believe that an offense without an identity can't succeed without vastly out-athleting the opposing team, and I haven't seen anything this year or in Patenaude's tenure at Temple to tell me any different.
 

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the transition would have been painful, but at least hes actually a good coach and doesn't call timeouts when we're scoring a touchdown.
Sometimes even great basketball coaches call timeouts that negate game-winning shots. It happens. He saw the game clock dwindling and probably feared we would end up snapping it so late that the game would run out on us during the play, which was a reasonable fear pre-snap. Obviously he doesn't call timeout if he knows the play goes for a TD. The real mistake was not calling the timeout initially to stop the clock.
 

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Good lord shut the öööö up.
You do not have to like the truth, but that doesn’t change the facts. Transitioning an offense from the option with undersized linemen was always our future and the first couple years we were always going to suck. And it was set in motion when PJ started implementing his style.
 

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You’re showing your ignorance if you think CPJ made his “retirement” decision on his own. While he may have not been asked to leave, he’s not a dumbass, and there was no way in hell he was going to have it LOOK like he was fired.
I believe he probably had the option of staying but had no desire to live a life on the hotseat. Either way, it was going 24-25 over a 4 year stretch that put him in that spot, not just people irrationally hating his offense. But yes, keeping it real, TStan was always going to dump the option at some point., so this transition was inevitable.
 
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We all know our OC has no track record of success. The shots of him in the booth late in the game were disturbing - relaxed, comfortable, no urgency.

I understand what our problem is but it's painfully clear that Pat is just calling plays that have nothing to do with anything
 

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We weren’t scoring anything when he was trying to call a timeout. The ball had not been snapped.
well like technically, yeah, but if he doesnt call the time out, we win. I can understand gtfan088's point, but its still a boneheaded move and the coaching during the other 59 minutes 47 seconds was enough to make me seriously question his coaching ability (my original comparison to Leach being that he is actually a good coach and would not have lost today).
 

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well like technically, yeah, but if he doesnt call the time out, we win. I can understand gtfan088's point, but its still a boneheaded move and the coaching during the other 59 minutes 47 seconds was enough to make me seriously question his coaching ability (my original comparison to Leach being that he is actually a good coach and would not have lost today).
I won’t disagree with any of this.
 

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the transition would have been painful, but at least hes actually a good coach and doesn't call timeouts when we're scoring a touchdown.
That particular TO was probably the only correct decision he made all game, however, he never should have been in that position
 
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No.

Paul Johnson's teams never had three unsportsmanlike penalties on the same drive, let alone two after third down stops. Johnson would have reached low earth orbit after just one of those ... two and he would have turned into a blinding pulsar. Three he may have reached a critical point and imploded into a black hole that consumed the entire planet.

Paul Johnson's teams never passed great, but Lucas Johnson clocked in at a 43 QBR today ... and that includes that lucky floating duck that came down for a touchdown. I'd probably have to go back a ways to find a PJ QB with a sub 50 QBR. I'm not sure I could find a sub 50 QBR EVER under Gailey that played most of the game. Not even Reggie on his Reggiest day. But most of all ... PJ would not keep a QB in that long who is doing that bad. And he damn sure wouldn't sub out QBs on a down by down basis, which is some high school crap.

Paul Johnson damn sure wouldn't, needing 1 yard on a crucial 4th down, dial up a snap 4 yards in reverse for a tailback handoff out of the shotgun. What does the shotgun get you there? It isn't like they were good at the shotgun ... it was coming in at the ankles all game long. Is a from-center exchange too hard?!?

Seeing Tobias gash Citadel out of the wildcat despite starting his runs 4 yards in the wrong direction each time, I have a high degree of confidence a PJ team would have won today, and won comfortably with a margin larger than the two-option-teams-playing-so-you-don't-get-many-possessions score would have suggested.

And while I'm sympathetic to the PJ-didnt-recruit argument ... it's THE CITADEL. That one flies out the window immediately. Seeing Tre Swilling look tepid and un-enthused in the running defense game, which got abused all damn game on the edges, is more indicative of what I mean by there's more to it. The lack of desire and effort on the edge was pointed out as gently as possible by Bates several times in the telecast. He made his bones as a linebacker for the Gators ... while he's a bit eccentric for football TV, he does know how to defend in major CFB.
 

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the transition would have been painful, but at least hes actually a good coach and doesn't call timeouts when we're scoring a touchdown.
There was no reason to call that time out. There was time for 1 more play. He needed to save it to stop the clock on a run play that didn't get out of bounds.
 

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I was very excited about the CPJ hire but absolutely knew this day was coming.

Why all the Big Cries? It’s 100% true.
They’re just still angry. They all knew this year would come and we were going to suck. Maybe not Citadel Suck, but a 2 win season Suck.

And if they DIDN’T know this then they were just fooling themselves.
 

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Quit repeating this myth. He quit because saw he couldn't compete in today's college football with the talent he was bringing in. We are in the process of ripping off the bandaid right now, and its gonna hurt for a while.
It's obvious why no other P5 HC offered Lucas Johnson a scholly. PJ may be the worst recruiter in the history of our program.
 

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Did we have any QB's playing that were actually recruited at other P5 schools to be QB's?
not sure what position Graham was recruited for by other schools. No one else wanted LJ and it's obvious why. All we recruited for the past 10 years were "athletes" and small'ish OL who dove at ankles.

you reap what you sow. I'm sure PJ got a good laugh today as he counted his tens of millions. Good riddance.
 

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They’re just still angry. They all knew this year would come and we were going to suck. Maybe not Citadel Suck, but a 2 win season Suck.

And if they DIDN’T know this then they were just fooling themselves.
Did you watch the game? Did you see the penalties, the 4th and short from shotgun, the inability to stop a FCS team?

Every sane person knew this year would be tough. But every sane person also knows this was a POS effort by a poorly coached team. öööö off with your “CPJ caused this” garbage.
 

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You do not have to like the truth, but that doesn’t change the facts. Transitioning an offense from the option with undersized linemen was always our future and the first couple years we were always going to suck. And it was set in motion when PJ started implementing his style.
I also don’t have to wait for the sky to fall before I post. You, on the other hand...
 
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