Temple Fans view of Collins and Patenaude

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https://templefootballforever.wordpress.com/2018/09/02/tu-offense-and-geoff-collins-sockless/

Interesting read from a Temple fan a year ago on their view of Collins and Patenuade. The comments tend to agree with the writer.

Best quote: "Clearly, Patenaude stubbornly wants to force this square peg into a round hole and it’s not working nor probably ever will."

What we are seeing at Tech is nothing new boys. Wish we had seen it coming. I hope Collins can rewrite his narrative.
 
On the contrary, we are running the football a lot because we have a chance to be successful with it, despite a stated desire to be closer to 50-50 run/pass. It's obvious that Patenaude and the entire offense staff are bending over backwards to find something other than veer option that these boys can run.
 
txsting said:
On the contrary, we are running the football a lot because we have a chance to be successful with it, despite a stated desire to be closer to 50-50 run/pass. It's obvious that Patenaude and the entire offense staff are bending over backwards to find something other than veer option that these boys can run.
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Do you mean like this play. Because that worked out great.

I agree that we should primarily run the ball, but it's not being executed well from the coaches and the players.

Just continue reading the following threads from that guy. They still voice their dislike of Patenaude.
 
I think it is something to pay attention to but Tech fans are used to a very rigid type of offense. Most teams don't work that way any more: it is about tempo and getting the defense confused. Johnson didn't confuse defenses: we out executed them and out leveraged them. Clemson doesn't care as much about execution: it is about pace and having your athletes make plays over 60 minutes and not worrying about a few negative plays.

Temple won a lot of games the last 2 years. Rhule had a better run but what Collins did was above average for Temple Football. He did start out slow both years and that frustrated fans. That is also something to keep an eye on.

What happened at Temple is they had a great 2 year run that was outside their norms. Like many program, when that happens they reset their expectation but when performance revises to the mean it pisses the fanbase off.

It happened at Florida when Urban started to lose but they have never been near that level since.
 
DaDodd said:
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Do you mean like this play. Because that worked out great.

I agree that we should primarily run the ball, but it's not being executed well from the coaches and the players.

Just continue reading the following threads from that guy. They still voice their dislike of Patenaude.
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Another great example, because yes that is the only other formation/play we have run other than veer.
 
I was half expecting this to be a bumped thread from when CGC was first hired.
 
DaDodd said:
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Do you mean like this play. Because that worked out great.

I agree that we should primarily run the ball, but it's not being executed well from the coaches and the players.

Just continue reading the following threads from that guy. They still voice their dislike of Patenaude.
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This play should have been a pass outside. Numbers appear to be there.
 
GCdaJuiceMan said:
This play should have been a pass outside. Numbers appear to be there.
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How in the hell is that not a pass? What’s the point of the play if not to catch the defense confused / bit lined up properly?

Quick pass and we’ve got 6v4 with the safety coming in late. Is that not the design of the play??
 
They are arguing about the running game and not the quarterback. Obviously this is a diff situation. Round peg, square hole. Hell it might even fit.
 
gtrower said:
How in the hell is that not a pass? What’s the point of the play if not to catch the defense confused / bit lined up properly?

Quick pass and we’ve got 6v4 with the safety coming in late. Is that not the design of the play??
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Just rewatched - we motioned carter back toward the center and tossed to him for a loss of 2 yards. SMH.
 
BigDanT said:
They are arguing about the running game and not the quarterback. Obviously this is a diff situation. Round peg, square hole. Hell it might even fit.
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It comes later in the comments:

...On top of that, why tailor your entire offensive scheme to your third-best quarterback?
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....So either this staff needs to start coaching a style that better fits what has worked here and what seems better suited to the players who are starting on offense or come out an say a QB like Centeio is a better fit for the scheme and that is who will run the offense. Again, not trying to start a QB controversy but rather getting tired of this square peg in a round hole approach of these coaches.
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DaDodd said:
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Do you mean like this play. Because that worked out great.

I agree that we should primarily run the ball, but it's not being executed well from the coaches and the players.

Just continue reading the following threads from that guy. They still voice their dislike of Patenaude.
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Why would I give a damn what some random Temple fan thinks about our coaches? They're bound to have fans who sound as dumb as the people who are complaining about a coaching staff 3 game into the season...and one of those games was against Clemson so we had absolutely ZERO chance to win.
 
DaDodd said:
https://templefootballforever.wordpress.com/2018/09/02/tu-offense-and-geoff-collins-sockless/

Interesting read from a Temple fan a year ago on their view of Collins and Patenuade. The comments tend to agree with the writer.

Best quote: "Clearly, Patenaude stubbornly wants to force this square peg into a round hole and it’s not working nor probably ever will."

What we are seeing at Tech is nothing new boys. Wish we had seen it coming. I hope Collins can rewrite his narrative.
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You seem to be suggesting that this coach and his staff were not properly vetted.
 
I don't see how you watch the 3 games that I watched and think that the coaches are running an offense with disregard to our personnel.

We are running packages that require QB changes just so we can have a deeper offensive playbook, work around our offensive line issues, and create more challenges to strategically defend.

It is pretty disgusting to watch our offense right now, but I don't see how you can argue it is because our OC is trying to cram our talent into a system.

Consider last year Temple had a primary QB that threw 345 passes in 12 games (29 attempts per game) at an average of 7.4 yards / attempt.
This year we have a primary throwing QB that has thrown 29 passes in 3 games (10 attempts per game) at an average of 4.7 yards / attempt.

Last year Temple's offense resulted in 439 pass plays and 485 run plays (47.5% pass / 52.5% run).
This year we our offense has resulted in 52 pass plays and 123 run plays (29.7% pass / 70.9% run).
 
Oddly enough, that blog has lots of interesting things to read.

On Collins leaving:
His offensive coordinator is probably the worst fit for Temple in the history of assistant coaches. Playing a tight game against Villanova one year and losing to them the next is a Cardinal sin that should never be forgiven by any Temple fan, administrator or student. That loss rests right at the feet of his OC.
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The ex-Temple head coach turned back-to-back 10-win seasons into a seven- and 8-win season (with 10-win talent all four seasons), so excuse me for hoping that door hits him in the ass and leaves a few bruises.
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This guy doesn't seem to have been a fan of Patenaude.
That’s why Geoff Collins’ love affair with his offensive coordinator, Dave Patenaude, is perplexing. It reminds me of the movie “Shallow Hal” when the lead character sees the bloated version of Gweneth Paltrow as beautiful and everybody else has a different view. When we (well, at least 90 percent of Temple fans) see Patenaude we see a guy who has all kinds of neat weapons and shoots them like a blind guy.
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An offensive coordinator who wants to change everything that worked in two 10-win seasons for everything that does not work the last two. There is no hatred here for the man himself; there is much hatred here for his stubborn refusal to use a system that is best suited for the personnel under his command. He completely overhauled an offensive concept that worked beautifully for two seasons for one that has been an utter failure for the last two.
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I would go through more, but it's depressing.
 
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