"If not Chan then Who" or "Call me crazy"

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flakjacket

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For the record, I am not one of the group who is calling for CCG’s ouster by the end of the season. Yeah, I am disappointed by our showing on Saturday night as well as our performace in Provo but I personally think that a coach at a major college program deserves three or four seasons to show what he can do. Given "flunkgate", our narrow curriculum, and the spectre of the new NCAA rules about academic progress, maybe Chan even deserves four. Call me crazy. (It wouldn't be the first time that I've been accused of this
state of mind nor will it be the last.)

The “thing” is though that there are a lot of Chan bashers out there who have every right to express their opinions negative or otherwise. While I don’t think that firing the coach is the right thing to do THIS season, I understand their frustrations (after all this is America where everybody is free to express themselves). One of the things that I do know as a manager is that if you are going to fire a key employee, you’d better have identified a good replacement for the “firee”. It seems to me that we had a helluva hard time trying to find someone with head coaching experience who would even take the job when we had to find a replacement for GOL.

So, in all sincerity if Chan is fired by the end of the season for whatever reason, who would you nominate to replace him? Who would want the job?----especially after have given CCG such a short leash? Who would do a good job if it came down to finding somebody at the end of the year?

(Note that this a sincere question so no flames please)
 
Flakjacket - these are all fair questions and ones that I have indeed asked myself.I think if we go this route,we will indeed "scare" a few of the estabilished names.My thinking is we go after a young,aggresive up and coming assistant (think of Bobby Cremins, or in football M.Richt.) We cannot let the fear of the unknown keep us from doing what is in fact an unpleasant task for any manager.(Of course,if the current coach can win 7 or more ball games this is a moot point.) The nice thing about the salary we offer, there will be people who will step up to the plate.
 
OK.... Serious Answer:

If we could get over our North Avenue phobia of RED and the candidate didn't 'have' to be an offensive coordinator, I would seriously nominate Brian VanGorder, current UGA defensive coordinator. The guy is a hell of an assistant coach and will probably want his own team to head coach someday. If you want someone with 'fire' that damn sure cares about his players... promise you this guy does. You want to win? VanGorder will walk through a damn brick wall to get you there. He currently coaches David Pollack (2002 SEC All-American defensive end). I would think that VanGorder could handle the offensive part of the job as well. He makes his living analyzing effective strategies to beat and contain offensive teams.

Would he leave UGA? Who knows! Richt left Fla State and his old mentor, Bowden. Anything is possible. The Tech HC salary is a big one. Anything's possible. This guy comes right from the college ranks and understands the student athlete.

Just a thought since you ask. OK... the floor is open. Riddle me with virtual bullets if you must.

Buzz Bomb

http://georgiadogs.ocsn.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/vangorder_brian00.html
 
Buzz Bomb: Abosolutely. Hey, name the guy president, but get him out of Athens. We should write every university looking for a head coach and tell all we know about this guy. I remember when I read that R. was naming him, and then I looked at his background and thought: " yippee"!!!!!
No more, my friends...he is too much for this area: get him out!!!!
Let him take June Jone's place (or anyone else far away from here. I would hate to fire Chan however, and get anyone at this time. Noone is a guarantee (but I am with you, he is the closest I know to it, unless it is the U. of So. Fla.'s guy.) He is special also.
But for now, let's (in my feeling) back off of Chan and the staff a little). They may prove us wrong yet; I think so, as well as hope so. The tide (ouch) will turn.
 
Buzz Bomb: That's a very fair answer to a fair question. You make some excellent points and Van Gorder is someone to whom you'd HAVE to give some consideration.

My point is that "...you have to have a plan". Firing CCG or anyone else for that matter without a plan for a qualified replacement is just plain nuts IMHO. While GOL was not fired, I am convinced that DB did not have a "disaster plan" at the time GOL left for Notre Dame...which is ONE of the reasons that "...we got into this mess in the first place". (As I recall, with the possible exception of Jimmy Robinson, there was nobody beating a path to our door to take the job when CCG got it [correct me if I am wrong about this])

If you're going to replace CCG, you gotta have a plan. I personally think that we will be ok in a year or so and that CCG is up to the job--especially given parameters and constraints at Tech and the NCAA. However, if he does get the axe, I think that we "have to have a plan, man" ---especially in terms of who the replacement will be.

I must admit that I am allergic to "red" (when I was a freshman, we were continually told that "...those guys slept with their sisters") but vanGorder is not a bad nomination.

I'd like to see some more though.
 
Don't misread me... I'm not jumping on the 'Get Rid of Chan' bandwagon. I'm a real patient man and personally believe that he should be given several years to turn the program around.

But the question was partially asked in the context of WHO might be a good candidate IF a new coach was required at the end of the season. The response was geared toward answering that question. Please don't misunderstand me... I am NOT in favor of eliminating CCG in the middle of the season. As some posters have already stated, "That's just dumb!". I agree.

Having said that, if you ever need to revisit these considerations... you'll have plenty of opportunity to evaluate VanGorter for yourselves when he comes to town in late November. Make a mental note to stack our offense up against the defense that he throws at us. This guy is not a polished diplomat but he is a hell of a football coach. I hope we'll be ready as a team for what he'll be bringing to town.
 
Chan deserves at least 3 years! Some of the posters on this board would have fired Coach Ross after 2 years.
 
OK...I'll include the standard disclaimer that I think CG should be given till the end of next year (I think less than 3 years is unfair to any coach who isn't named Bill Lewis). That being said, I would vote highly against Brian vanGorder. Not because I don't think he's a very intelligent and motivational coach, but because my observations are that defensive coaches generally don't make great head coaches. I know there have to be exceptions (I really loved George O'Leary as HC) but offensive coaches, by and large, enjoy MUCH more success at the head coaching level. Spurrier, Friedgen, and others come to mind but I will readily admit that I may be overlooking many. Am I wrong though?
 
I_B_G_W, I don't think you can overlook a defensive coordinator. I think it is all according to the ability of the individual person to be analytical.

You need a good defense to win championships. It is sort of like the chicken and the egg. A good defensive coach should know what offenses are hardest to stop. A good offensive coach should know the best plays to beat a good defense.

I think it is a toss-up. I do believe exquarterbacks make some of the best coaches, probably because the QB is the key position in the offense. He generally has a head start on knowing what the QB has to do to make the offense effective.

Stoops is doing a great job. Tech's great defensive coordinator, Ray Graves, went to Florida and revived their program. Erk Russell left Georgia and became head coach at Georgia Southern and placed them on the map.

I think the key is in the selection process. The person selecting the coach should know all the right questions to ask.

If I were making the decision, I would probably request that some of the retired or active coaches help me question the candidates.

I would probably set up a committe of Ara Parsegian, Frank Broyles, Bobby Ross, and the retired coach from Nebraska to ask all the questions and give me their take on the candidates.

Father Time
 
Brian Van Gorder is the coach I nominated at the end of last season. I would still make him the top replacement choice for Chan Gailey. Toledo's Rob Spence should already be here as the OC/QB Coach but unfortunantly for Tech Coach Gailey brought in one of his cronys instead. Shoot now I would elevate his position here at Tech before he had even step onto the Flats for the first time. They would be my top two choices from outside this staff. The only one on this staff worthy is Jon Tenuta! As I said before this staff with Tenuta being the lone exception has the burning fire of a womens tupperware party. Coach Tenuta could certainly transfer his fire to what I would call broken down except it never was constucted in the first place offense.
 
CCG will, and at least for now I believe should get 3 years. If it's not OBVIOUS by then that's it's working, my vote as of now, considering realistic choices, would be Randy Edsall over BV.

He's a young up and coming accomplished former GT coach, who demonstrated the ability to get a lot out of a thin undermanned D, and has done admirably at UCONN as a freshman HC. He also has ties and experience to the pros. He would be more likely to stay a long time than most, if we paid him well. THWG
 
Originally posted by flakjacket:
For the record, I am not one of the group who is calling for CCG’s ouster by the end of the season. Yeah, I am disappointed by our showing on Saturday night as well as our performace in Provo but I personally think that a coach at a major college program deserves three or four seasons to show what he can do. Given "flunkgate", our narrow curriculum, and the spectre of the new NCAA rules about academic progress, maybe Chan even deserves four. Call me crazy. (It wouldn't be the first time that I've been accused of this
state of mind nor will it be the last.)

The “thing” is though that there are a lot of Chan bashers out there who have every right to express their opinions negative or otherwise. While I don’t think that firing the coach is the right thing to do THIS season, I understand their frustrations (after all this is America where everybody is free to express themselves). One of the things that I do know as a manager is that if you are going to fire a key employee, you’d better have identified a good replacement for the “firee”. It seems to me that we had a helluva hard time trying to find someone with head coaching experience who would even take the job when we had to find a replacement for GOL.

So, in all sincerity if Chan is fired by the end of the season for whatever reason, who would you nominate to replace him? Who would want the job?----especially after have given CCG such a short leash? Who would do a good job if it came down to finding somebody at the end of the year?

(Note that this a sincere question so no flames please)
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">He shouldnt be fired at the end of the season unless he keeps blaming the players even though he said it was all his fault. We need a new AD before we make any decisions. Let the new AD decide if this is the price we pay for Braine's non leadership and Gailey's non-collegiate experience, or if Gailey can "slowly" build something at GT with 10 offensive plays. The new AD needs to make the decision.
 
Originally posted by The Gnome of Zurich:


He shouldnt be fired at the end of the season unless he keeps blaming the players even though he said it was all his fault. We need a new AD before we make any decisions. Let the new AD decide if this is the price we pay for Braine's non leadership and Gailey's non-collegiate experience, or if Gailey can "slowly" build something at GT with 10 offensive plays. The new AD needs to make the decision.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">i'm sorry Gnome of Zurich but your Gnomish snides are getting old. Nobody blamed any players for the loss. You are literally making things up.

You want a job at the AJC? you can definitely make a good writer such as Mark Bradley with the way you like to interpret what a Tech personnel says these days.
 
I believe we should start planning now for a new HC! Braine may or may not leave (lets hope he does) and does he get the final word or does a search committe(sp) get a word in there some place. I for one was a FOCer but not anymore. After seeing the 51-7, 39-3 fiasco's I don't believe CCG has the fire in his belly to win. I don't believe CCG has the fire in his belly to go out and recruit against the UGA', the Bama's, or any other major univ. I don't believe he has the fire in his belly to kick as- when needed. He for the good of the institution should just go ahead and admit he is in over his head. With a million a year as starting salary hades I just may take the job myself. At least I have fire in my belly when it comes GEORGIA TECH.
 
Bravo, OF, your post speaks
volumes what is taking place
at Georgia Tech!

I have no reservations about
hiring a coach who has coached
at one of our rivals including
UGAG.

UGAG had no resevations when they
hired a young Vince Dooley from
Auburn University.

I think it's childish to not consider
any coach regardless of where he played,
graduated or coached.

Sir, I salute you again on your fine
post!
 
I'm all for Van Gorder, Stoops, or another defensive coach.

How can anybody deny that defense wins games? Look at the Braves, '80 Dawgs, Ravens Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer at QB, Ohio State's D Line last year, Pittsburg's Steel Curtain.

Chamionships are built with O and D, but MANY more are built with D.

Another subject - Some of you putting the caddywhompus on hiring an ex-UGA coach are the same ones that wanted Coach Mac (Who I think the world of, but don't think was the right choice.)

If I'm not wrong - he was a third generation UGA player before he started coaching. MacWhorter Hall at UGA is where the athletes have lived for years.

I'll take a winning coach from anywhere, because once he's here, he's ours.

Why did I bite on any of this bait anyway? Let's support the guy we have.
 
Are you interested in graduating players. If not then hire Stoops. OU is graduating 8% of players
 
The fact that Edsall coached at GT for ONE freaking year should have NO bearing on his qualifications, or lack thereof, to bee a potential HC here. The biggest disappointment I have about CG, beesides 51 - 7, is the lack of development of players. It just seems like guys disappear and never get on the field. I hope we do not need a new HC anytime soon, but I think enough of GT to beelieve we deserve the best. Spurrier, Chow, Butch Davis, but I am no expert. Those claiming we need a new AD first should remember DB wanted O'Brien from BC but clough would not have it. It is clough who should bee held accountable, or given credit for, what happens next.
 
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