Florida President: Greyshirting morally reprehensible

What's the difference between grayshirting and preferred walk-on? That grayshirt has a guaranteed (or likelier) scholarship next year?
 
cyptomcat said:
What's the difference between grayshirting and preferred walk-on? That grayshirt has a guaranteed (or likelier) scholarship next year?
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preferred walkon - you're willingly choosing to play a sport while in college and probably never receive any aid from that sport; you also start your college career on time.

grayshirt - you willingly choose to either pay your own way for a semester or delay starting your college career for a semester with the guarantee you go on scholarship in the spring. I wonder how often schools reneg on these.

So, I don't think a grayshirt is morally reprehensible if the kid chooses it. The question is why a kid would choose that over getting a complete scholarship from another school.
 
cyptomcat said:
What's the difference between grayshirting and preferred walk-on? That grayshirt has a guaranteed (or likelier) scholarship next year?
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One of the big differences is being up front with the kid. Often kid's don't know they are the target of a grayshirt until the coach realizes the numbers won't work in the Summer.

They sign a LOI thinking the scholarship is there, then "POOF" it's not. The kids are stuck in many cases, because the back-up plans likely do not have space at this point, so they wait it out....exactly what the coach wants them to do, so the athlete is still at his disposal to be called upon if ever needed.

With preferred walk-ons, the kid comes in as a walk-on with no promise of a scholarship and is "preferred" towards getting a non-scholarship spot on the team. There is never the guarantee of a scholarship, but they have the opportunity to play their way into a scholarship over time.
 
From the second article:
Greyshirting lets college programs sign extra players as insurance against injury, academic trouble or other unseen issues with scholarship players.
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This is the benefit to schools willing to do this. It's a numbers game. . .they diversify in talent, so if someone is a bust...there are more options available for the team.
 
What's the difference between taking away a kid's scholarship if he doesn't perform well at the activity earning the scholarship when it is an athletic scholarship and taking one away from a kid on academic scholarship for flunking out?
 
Jacket59 said:
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So, I don't think a grayshirt is morally reprehensible if the kid chooses it. The question is why a kid would choose that over getting a complete scholarship from another school.
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I disagree that it's not morally reprehensible. I may be old fashioned, but even if you tell the guy you might be screwing him out of a college education, it doesn't make it right to turn around and do it to him. Granted, the kid should be smarter and realize what his chances are, but it still doesn't make the end result "morally correct". Maybe thats just a matter of semantics though.:dunno:

I think that lots of these kids (Flowers for instance) get stars in their eyes and thought they would be an exception to the rule (1% of kids make it to the NFL, etc) and playing a minor role on a "big name team" would be better than playing a major role on an up and coming one with largely gauranteed benefits.
 
gthog61 said:
What's the difference between taking away a kid's scholarship if he doesn't perform well at the activity earning the scholarship when it is an athletic scholarship and taking one away from a kid on academic scholarship for flunking out?
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The Dodd Way (paraphrased):
If we recruit a kid to play football and he doesn't pan out, that's on us as coaches. The kid still deserves an education.

Failing out acedemically is apples and oranges.

Granted, what you are saying isn't "wrong" as there isn't a law against revoking someones scholarship, but it's just what your perspective is on what is the role of the Student-Athlete at the school.
 
gthog61 said:
What's the difference between taking away a kid's scholarship if he doesn't perform well at the activity earning the scholarship when it is an athletic scholarship and taking one away from a kid on academic scholarship for flunking out?
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You have to ask?

A kid flunking out doesn't have the grades to stay in school, period, and thus a scholarship is pointless.

A kid who is not performing well as an athlete, but is still academically eligible is still in school.

Dodd got this right. Unfortunately, not all of his assistants that went on to success at other schools did.
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Of course, that distinction would fade if you are an SEC fan because many of those schools have programs that aren't much better than your average community college.

This all depends on your perspective. Are they student athletes or moneymakers?
 
And this is why athletic scholarships should two or three years, instead of one.
 
gespacho_the_slender said:
The Dodd Way (paraphrased):
If we recruit a kid to play football and he doesn't pan out, that's on us as coaches. The kid still deserves an education.

Failing out acedemically is apples and oranges.

Granted, what you are saying isn't "wrong" as there isn't a law against revoking someones scholarship, but it's just what your perspective is on what is the role of the Student-Athlete at the school.
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Yep the Grey Fox didnt cut you or run you off like the Bear he just did the right thing and it would run Bear crazy.In the fifties and sixties bama and texas and others would do anything they could to run lower level schoolly guys off the team but not Dodd.He did things the right way.
 
mack said:
Yep the Grey Fox didnt cut you or run you off like the Bear he just did the right thing and it would run Bear crazy.In the fifties and sixties bama and texas and others would do anything they could to run lower level schoolly guys off the team but not Dodd.He did things the right way.
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The thing is, where have all of our value's gone too? Handshakes and a person word don't mean DICK now :-(
 
Dodd got this right. Unfortunately, not all of his assistants that went on to success at other schools did.
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This is why we withdrew from the SEC.
 
Stinger90 said:
The thing is, where have all of our value's gone too? Handshakes and a person word don't mean DICK now :-(
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That is a great question. Lack of solid family life... Folks aren't taught values at an early age... Relativism being taught as a norm... I don't know. I know why I am the way I am, but that doesn't work for everyone.
 
This bit Tre in the ***. I wonder how long if ever before the NCAA will do something to limit this?
 
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