Discussion in 'Basketball' started by CoachTech, Oct 31, 2018.
Yea but Vandys academics rite?
I dont believe for a second he cant coach. I would trade coaches with vandy straight up right now and im as cheerleadery as anyone on cjp.
Either Drew inherited a hellhole or it is just a horrible fit. No big deal in my mind.
If CJP went somewhere where all he had to do was coach and some booster was buying him 4 stars he would be worring about seeding right now.
I wanted Drew during the coaching search for sure. I havent paid enough attention to know whats going on with him at Vandy, honestly.
Possibly. It wasn't working out like that towards the end of his Memphis tenure.
Thats what the Memphis fans said, but is that true?
I think they are ignorant that they didnt make the top tier conference cut when Conference USA imploded and Josh just reverted to what they appear to be. A 5th place team in a second tier conference.
Yes, it's true that they had 4-star players and were not making the tournament at the end of his tenure there.
Did they all leave before Tubby got there? Did they pan out as pros?
They did not.
And? You implied that if you just funnel talent Pastner's way then he will be in the tournament. History shows that's not always the case. Talent would give us a chance to make the tournament, which is something we don't currently have (a chance, that is).
If we make a change in the future, Bryce Drew would be an excellent gamble.
I wanted him three years ago, but it makes me queasy thinking about hiring yet another coach not wanted at his current job. We're the only program in the ACC that keeps going down this path.
The guys he had at the end may have been McD AllAmericans coming in but they played as much NBA ball as JJ has.
The point is some 4 stars are actually 5 star talent, while some 4 stars are actually 3 star talent. Memphis thought he was underperforming with NBA talent like Calapari (and Josh too) had when they were dominating Conference USA. But based on the post college careers of his players he was performing a reasonably good coaching job.
We'll have to agree to disagree. They were the guys he recruited. If individually and collectively they didn't perform up to expectations, that's on him and his staff.
I think we disagree less than you think here. I never said it wasnt on him some. But you act like a 4 star is a stamped guarantee. He may have coached them poorly, or he may have evaluated poorly. (Or he may have known they were overrated but they were the best he could do). The evidence is they were overrated, unless you think Tubby Smith and others can't coach either. The question is did he recognize they were overrated when he was recruiting them?
Yeah, I want to hire the guy that just lost 14 straight games to go winless in the SEC, and finished the season by losing at home 84-48 to Arkansas (who we beat this year on the road with Pastner).
I agree this year has been a disaster for Vandy. As I said any coaching hire is a gamble, but I still think he would be worth the risk based on his previous track record. The bright side is he should be less expensive than the last time we talked to him.
I hope Pastner can turn things around. I am concerned that Pastner's recruiting is permanently damaged by the Bell affair.
I share you concern about the Bell thing. That was a very poorly timed ööööshow that derailed our recruiting momentum.
I think I'd prefer going the mid-major route, which worked out well with Cremins (and Hewitt in the short-term). I'm thinking of guys like Nate Oates at Buffalo or Wes Miller at UNC-Greensboro.
But that’s what everyone here said would happen when Okogie announced.
But everyone knew it was a possibility throughout last year, depending on how he graded out in the pre-draft process. Seemingly everyone but Pastner, anyway.