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Zaac2000

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19 year old peak athletes are at zero risk.
Pure BS.

It is moronic to even test them. The 30,000 fans in the stadium who weren’t tested are at 100x more risk than a college athlete.
Are they in close contact with the fans in the open-air stadium?

The entire country has reopened and you can go to the grocery, a concert, fly internationally, without being tested.
Again, pure hyperbolic BS! A large number of places reopening are maintaining COVID practices and asking for proof of vaccination.

Yes for some reason it’s important to tech 25 baseball players in Omaha? This will help save the world?

Regardless, DQing them at this point is redivulous. They could have postponed until NC State could field a team base on whatever ridiculous protocol the ncaa is requiring of them.

If Vandy, Texas, Miss St players had any stones they wouldn’t play until all 4 CWS could finish out the championship
They're DQ'd because they are a risk to other people's lives. If you want to be liable for what happens to the players, start your own tournament. As it stands, the NCAA made the right call IMO. I do ,however, agree that they could and should have postponed seeing as the Vanderbilt players were exposed also.
 

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Got nothing to do with the NCAAs incompetence. The problem is the guys who didn't get vaccinated. Unless there was a medical reason(i.e. allergy to something in the vaccine, they should have been required to get the vaccine if they wanted to play). With 6 positive tests on one team, it would be incompetent and akin to Russian Roulette to let them continue.

To protect lives and avoid liability, sometimes grownups have to make decisions that override the decisions of other adults who think playing a game is paramount.

Unvaccinated players from any team could have gotten the entire tournament canceled due to exposure.
Agree wholeheartedly - NC State coaches and players knew the protocol, right or wrong, and they elected to gamble that it would work out OK. The gamble failed and I’ve got no sympathy for them being eliminated.
 

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This virus doesn't care what you ask. And it doesn't care what you and your kids aren't afraid of. Again, the attempts to conflagrate this with the flu is silly. If you and yours don't want to take it seriously, then don't. But that doesn't mean that the NCAA needs to expose itself to liability and risk the lives of the children and families who do take it seriously. They're adhering to the limited science that's available.

And it's just flat-out selfish to think that the lives of a myriad of people should be put at risk just because it's someone's "last moments of competitive playing." And scouts have already seen the vast majority of players they've wanted to see at this point. And if they haven't, schedule a Scout Day event.

It's a frigging game! A game that people's lives shouldn't have to be put at risk to play.
No one who tested positive is at risk.

no one in the stadium is at risk except those that choose to live with the risk by not getting vaccinated.

you have no concept of risk and I pity your unfulfilled life.

It is not “selfish” of me to think adults can make adult decisions. In fact it is the opposite. I hold no one accountable for my safety and my actions except myself. You apparently want others to live as you would and only that way, but that’s somehow unselfish. Totally asinine.
 

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No one who tested positive is at risk.

no one in the stadium is at risk except those that choose to live with the risk by not getting vaccinated.

you have no concept of risk and I pity your unfulfilled life.

It is not “selfish” of me to think adults can make adult decisions. In fact it is the opposite. I hold no one accountable for my safety and my actions except myself. You apparently want others to live as you would and only that way, but that’s somehow unselfish. Totally asinine.
Educate yourself.

 

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Educate yourself.

Most of these long term effects are expressed in people well over the age represented by the college, and are not so different than having a very bad infection from other respiratory viruses that are much more able to hospitalize young people than Covid. Thanks for the offer though.

I offer you the same education in the risks of heart inflammation for young people (young men especially) due to COVID vaccination. Recall that heart issues (none of which have been seen among thousands of Covid positive athletes) were the reason the Big Ten couldn’t play football amidst the COVID pandemic.

the risk of vaccination is not worth the benefit for those who are healthy and under 25. It is purely to “protect those who are at risk” and we’ve never Force that on the young before. It’s disgusting.

fill disclosure: I am vaccinated. I am not suggesting no one get vaccinated. I am stating the fact that the virus poses little to no risk to these young men whereas the vaccine has shown a link that gets “more associative” the younger the male is. I would not fault any young man for not getting vaccinated.

 
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Most of these long term effects are expressed in people well over the age represented by the college, and are not so different than having a very bad infection from other respiratory viruses that are much more able to hospitalize young people than Covid. Thanks for the offer though.

I offer you the same education in the risks of heart inflammation for young people (young men especially) due to COVID vaccination. Recall that heart issues (none of which have been seen among thousands of Covid positive athletes) were the reason the Big Ten couldn’t play football amidst the COVID pandemic.

the risk of vaccination is not worth the benefit for those who are healthy and under 25. It is purely to “protect those who are at risk” and we’ve never Force that on the young before. It’s disgusting.

fill disclosure: I am vaccinated. I am not suggesting no one get vaccinated. I am stating the fact that the virus poses little to no risk to these young men whereas the vaccine has shown a link that gets “more associative” the younger the male is. I would not fault any young man for not getting vaccinated.

Suppose we accept that it poses no risk to them. What about all the THEMS that they come in contact with, who come in contact with other THEMS, who then come in contact with other THEMS? There are coaches, and umpires, and team doctors, and team staff with whom they also come in contact who then go back and are in contact with their families.

Who in their right mind would risk that many people's lives as opposed to isolating this group of players who have been exposed?

 

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Pure BS.



Are they in close contact with the fans in the open-air stadium?



Again, pure hyperbolic BS! A large number of places reopening are maintaining COVID practices and asking for proof of vaccination.



They're DQ'd because they are a risk to other people's lives. If you want to be liable for what happens to the players, start your own tournament. As it stands, the NCAA made the right call IMO. I do ,however, agree that they could and should have postponed seeing as the Vanderbilt players were exposed also.
Dr. Fauci, is that you?
 

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Suppose we accept that it poses no risk to them. What about all the THEMS that they come in contact with, who come in contact with other THEMS, who then come in contact with other THEMS? There are coaches, and umpires, and team doctors, and team staff with whom they also come in contact who then go back and are in contact with their families.

Who in their right mind would risk that many people's lives as opposed to isolating this group of players who have been exposed?

LoL..... WHO. Now there's a reliable source
 

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Suppose we accept that it poses no risk to them. What about all the THEMS that they come in contact with, who come in contact with other THEMS, who then come in contact with other THEMS? There are coaches, and umpires, and team doctors, and team staff with whom they also come in contact who then go back and are in contact with their families.

Who in their right mind would risk that many people's lives as opposed to isolating this group of players who have been exposed?

Using your stupid "logic" all of those THEMS should keep their ass firmly planted at home with 3 masks on and three layers of saran wrap around their home.
This whole thing is ludicrous and totally political at this point. You, I, and everyone else have freedom of choice, but we do not have freedom from consequences nor guaranteed avoidance of risk. Daily life is full of risks. Some of us avoid catastrophe and some of us don't, regardless of how careful we are.

I've had close family friends die in car accidents due to no fault of their own. I've had two work associates die in commercial plane crashes two years apart. By that logic should I and my kids stay sequestered in my home and never set foot in a car or jet (or go to Lenox Mall)????
No, I make the conscious decision to strap on my auto vaccine (seatbelt) and go about my life with the knowledge that it may end at the hands of someone else, and not my own doing. That is the risk we take. We cannot live our lives like you and the rest of the Karens want us to. This is insane. If you're that scared, stay home. Your choices do not infringe on my rights.

Oh, and btw, I read that at least three of the NC State kids had already been vaccinated and were still pulled from the roster due to contact tracing. I feel sorry for their robbed once-in-a-lifetime opportunity dictated by the National Commie Athletic Assn.
 

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LoL..... WHO. Now there's a reliable source
Are you a virologist? Epidemiologist? Infectious disease specialist?

There are plenty working at the CDC and WHO that I'm sure that I and billions would more quickly trust to steer us as the science directs over those of you playing armchair doctors.
 

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Are you a virologist? Epidemiologist? Infectious disease specialist?

There are plenty working at the CDC and WHO that I'm sure that I and billions would more quickly trust to steer us as the science directs over those of you playing armchair doctors.
Are you? You talk with lots of certainty but no facts. The CDC and WHO have been so politicized and owned by the CCP you can't take them seriously.
 

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Using your stupid "logic" all of those THEMS should keep their ass firmly planted at home with 3 masks on and three layers of saran wrap around their home.
This whole thing is ludicrous and totally political at this point. You, I, and everyone else have freedom of choice, but we do not have freedom from consequences nor guaranteed avoidance of risk. Daily life is full of risks. Some of us avoid catastrophe and some of us don't, regardless of how careful we are.

I've had close family friends die in car accidents due to no fault of their own. I've had two work associates die in commercial plane crashes two years apart. By that logic should I and my kids stay sequestered in my home and never set foot in a car or jet (or go to Lenox Mall)????
No, I make the conscious decision to strap on my auto vaccine (seatbelt) and go about my life with the knowledge that it may end at the hands of someone else, and not my own doing. That is the risk we take. We cannot live our lives like you and the rest of the Karens want us to. This is insane. If you're that scared, stay home. Your choices do not infringe on my rights.

Oh, and btw, I read that at least three of the NC State kids had already been vaccinated and were still pulled from the roster due to contact tracing. I feel sorry for their robbed once-in-a-lifetime opportunity dictated by the National Commie Athletic Assn.
Using my logic and the uptick in this new variant, it would have been more prudent not to have anyone in the stands. And there we have what your and so many other's problems is with things. Because YOU make it a political issue, you think following the science to set guidelines is political.

This is borderline stupid. You're having a conniption over a child's game and the adults opting on the side of possibly saving lives. Don't anybody care about what you think you've got freedom of. This virus doesn't care about your silly "don't tread on my rights" politics.

The NCAA made a business decision to protect lives. If you don't like it, tough. Go play church-league softball and be exposed to whomever you wish.

And your "rights" don't infringe upon the rights of the governing body of NCAA sports dictating how to enforce COVID-19 rules.

Feel sorry as you like. There's nothing wrong with empathy. But the adults making the decisions need to opt every time to save LIVES over trying to save "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunities.
 

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Whew! This Covid BS is split 50/50 it seems. This is a fact. World wide using numbers that CDC, WHO , or any damn body else puts out, the death rate is less than 1 %, and of those most have underlying conditions. Those numbers alone are why people are reluctant to get an unapproved vaccination and to penalize and expect 18-23 year olds to take it is asinine, especially athletes in prime condition. JMO
 

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Are you? You talk with lots of certainty but no facts. The CDC and WHO have been so politicized and owned by the CCP you can't take them seriously.
I never claimed to be any of the aforementioned. You're the one questioning the reliability of the doctors at the CDC and WHO as though you know more. So if you're a specialist in any of the previously mentioned areas, present your evidence to supersede what the two organizations have said. Otherwise, you're just talking out the side of your neck about them not being reliable sources.
 

Zaac2000

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Whew! This Covid BS is split 50/50 it seems. This is a fact. World wide using numbers that CDC, WHO , or any damn body else puts out, the death rate is less than 1 %, and of those most have underlying conditions. Those numbers alone are why people are reluctant to get an unapproved vaccination and to penalize and expect 18-23 year olds to take it is asinine, especially athletes in prime condition. JMO
It may be asinine. But they knew the potential of it being asinine before they got there. They accepted those parameters, gambled, and lost.
 

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I never claimed to be any of the aforementioned. You're the one questioning the reliability of the doctors at the CDC and WHO as though you know more. So if you're a specialist in any of the previously mentioned areas, present your evidence to supersede what the two organizations have said. Otherwise, you're just talking out the side of your neck about them not being reliable sources.
you're the one that started claiming that EVERYONE in Omaha was now at risk but provided no evidence but your personal opinion. The WHO is in the hip pocket of the chicoms. The CDC is a bumbling bureaucratic waste of money.
 

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They chose to live a normal life, and not one of fear. If Covid had a higher death rate and much worse symptoms even if death did t occur, there would be no need in begging folks to get vaccinated, everyone would be in line. The virus doesn’t match the hype and especially now 18 months later.
 

Zaac2000

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you're the one that started claiming that EVERYONE in Omaha was now at risk but provided no evidence but your personal opinion. The WHO is in the hip pocket of the chicoms. The CDC is a bumbling bureaucratic waste of money.
Stop bearing false witness. If I said everyone in Omaha was at risk, quote it for me. You having a political problem with the CDC or WHO doesn't equal them being unreliable sources on dealing with this virus.

If you've got some more reliable sources who can back up what they are saying with science and evidential support, then present them as replacements for the CDC and WHO.
 
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