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Zaac2000

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They chose to live a normal life, and not one of fear. If Covid had a higher death rate and much worse symptoms even if death did t occur, there would be no need in begging folks to get vaccinated, everyone would be in line. The virus doesn’t match the hype and especially now 18 months later.
The "normal" lives they get to live are policed by the NCAA every single day. They knew the consequences of not getting vaccinated and testing positive for the virus. If the governing body sets the rules and you agree to abide by them, then abide by them.
 

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The "normal" lives they get to live are policed by the NCAA every single day. They knew the consequences of not getting vaccinated and testing positive for the virus. If the governing body sets the rules and you agree to abide by them, then abide by them.
I hope the NCAA loses more at the Supreme Court. What stupidity
 

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Got nothing to do with the NCAAs incompetence. The problem is the guys who didn't get vaccinated. Unless there was a medical reason(i.e. allergy to something in the vaccine, they should have been required to get the vaccine if they wanted to play). With 6 positive tests on one team, it would be incompetent and akin to Russian Roulette to let them continue.

To protect lives and avoid liability, sometimes grownups have to make decisions that override the decisions of other adults who think playing a game is paramount.

Unvaccinated players from any team could have gotten the entire tournament canceled due to exposure.
Bullshit. Drinking the koolaid and "following the science" was one of the biggest social experiments in the history of the world.
If you did follow the science, you would have known that a vaccine prevents nothing. See cases in major league baseball where vaccinated players still supposedly got the "virus". See case studies related to the flu vaccine also. Following the science
Protect lives? Are you kidding me.
Avoid liability? What liability? EVERYONE made a reasonable choice to attend the tournament. No hostages. Nobody forced to go at gun point. Nothing of the sort.
"Grownups" making decisions for other adults sounds a little like a dictatorship don't you think, but then again there is a faction of the population that demands or needs or requires that others make decisions for them.
 
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Vespidie

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Are you a virologist? Epidemiologist? Infectious disease specialist?

There are plenty working at the CDC and WHO that I'm sure that I and billions would more quickly trust to steer us as the science directs over those of you playing armchair doctors.
NO. Normal science would have dictated that one would have allowed the human body to use its own immune system to build antibodies and therefore build up a natural immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. BTW..you're presume that contracting the virus is a death sentence, but it's not.
 
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Zaac2000

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Bullshit. Drinking the koolaid and "following the science" was one of the biggest social experiments in the history of the world.
If you did follow the science, you would have known that a vaccine prevents nothing. See cases in major league baseball where vaccinated players still supposedly got the "virus". See case studies related to the flu vaccine also. Following the science
Protect lives? Are you kidding me.
Avoid liability? What liability? EVERYONE made a reasonable choice to attend the tournament. No hostages. Nobody forced to go at gun point. Nothing of the sort.
"Grownups" making decisions for other adults sounds a little like a dictatorship don't you think, but then again there is a faction of the population that demands or needs or requires that others make decisions for them.
Naah! You're gonna have to travel on down to Florida and speak to DeSantis about the law he signed mandating public universities survey students and faculty on their political beliefs if you want a dictatorship.

I don't know why you think I'd be kidding you. Let me ask you the same question I asked earlier.

Are you a virologist?epidemiologist?infectious disease specialist? Have you put out a study to be reviewed by your peers on COVID-19? If not, nobody except the equally politically-crazed, conspiracy theorists give a hoot about what you think is "drinking the koolaid".

And yes I said avoid liability. The liability that the NCAA could potentially set itself up for if one of the student-athletes under its purview gets COVID-19 at one of its events and ends up with permanent long-term damage to internal organs, or ends up dead.

At the beginning of every year, athletes participating in NCAA sports sign an agreement to abide by NCAA rules either existing or those put in place. The athletes and the universities made a reasonable choice to do what they did. They knew what the rules were. They gambled and lost.

Ain't nobody's rights been treaded on here. Gwon down to Florida with that.
 

Zaac2000

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NO. Normal science would have dictated that one would have allowed the human body to use its own immune system to build antibodies and therefore build up a natural immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
That's part of normal science. It ain't all.
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Normal science also looked at the human body's reaction to SARS-CoV-2 virus and realized that the virus was killing thousands of people. Normal science stepped in to understand why and what could be done to stop it from happening.

BTW..you're presume that contracting the virus is a death sentence, but it's not.
I presumed no such thing. It has the potential to kill. Personally, I'd rather not play Russian Roulette with death.
 

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I presumed no such thing. It has the potential to kill. Personally, I'd rather not play Russian Roulette with death.
You do it EVERY DAY whether you realize it or not. And if you took the vaccine, you did it then, too.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that the NCAA did not have the "right" by force of contract to do what they did.
What we're arguing is that at this point in the "pandemic" that requiring uber-healthy young adults playing outdoors to sign such a contract is ludicrous. Especially, since they're allowing 20k+ fans -- many old, fat and/or with comorbidies -- to attend in even tighter quarters with no testing and no restrictions.

In our litigious happy society, they're just as liable for any Covid deaths among attending fans at their sanctioned and unrestricted event as they would be among the healthy athletes competing. STUPID STUPID STUPID

Btw, the next time I pass you on the road driving with your mask on in the car, I'll wave.
 

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I miss when this was a baseball thread.

It sucks. I wanted to see NCST in the final too. Agree or disagree, the protocol is the protocol. It didn't change, it just got enforced. Get over it.

That being said, go Vandy. At least then we can say we lost to the champs. Also, I actually really enjoy their team. 2 dominant starters and some exciting offensive guys.
 
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" According to multiple sources, one of the main reasons for the round of testing for the vaccinated players was due to a request by the Vanderbilt staff. "
Not surprised. Vandy baseball is like Duke basketball. The image they try to project does not match with their actions behind the scenes.
 

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Not surprised. Vandy baseball is like Duke basketball. The image they try to project does not match with their actions behind the scenes.
What isn't clear is whether the "Vanderbilt staff" they refer to is the baseball coaching staff, Vanderbilt medical staff or Vanderbilt administration. Keep in mind that most coaching staffs, including those at Tech, follow the rules and protocols of the medical personnel. If you were a parent of one of the Vanderbilt players you might feel differently about having your son play against players that tested positive or had contact with someone who did, especially if your son was not vaccinated himself (yeah I know the obvious argument that if you as a parent are so concerned y your son should be vaccinated to begin with). That being said, I don't disagree with the hypocrisy of all of the fans in such close proximity not having to undergo any Covid protocols. If the NCAA is so concerned about the health and safety of the athletes they should have the reduced the fans to "safe distance" protocols to avoid the obvious appearance that the revenue stream is still their number one priority.
 

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The NCAA needs to get out a very clear, truthful statement about what happened. No need to hide behind HIPAA as there is no need to reveal any names at all. The bottom line is that if they had clearly established their protocols and procedures and followed them correctly they did no wrong. You may not like their rules, but as long as they followed them fairly, at least the process was fair.

If they made things up as they went along and if they were influenced by Vanderbilt or any other outside force in any way in making this decision then they need to apologize to NCSU at best and lawyer up at worst. Here in Raleigh there is so much speculation and the prevailing "truth" now is that this was all driven by Vanderbilt's coaches and staff and the NCAA gave in due to their preference for Vandy in the finals. If that is true, then NCSU should soon be one of the richest athletic departments in the country. If that story is false, the NCAA needs to say so.
 

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NCSU AD just gave a courageous and classy interview on the 11 PM news on WRAL. He said that he saw nothing in the NCAA treatment of the Wolfpack that was unfair treatment. He went on to say that he felt some of the extra testing they ordered was more an attempt to get good results to get them back on the field and not an attempt to try and disqualify them. He may catch some real heat from Wolfpack nation that is up in arms and is convinced they were treated badly. His tone was quite different from Avent, who while falling short of being accusative of the NCAA, has persistently seemed agitated with the NCAA through this whole affair.
 

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I miss when this was a baseball thread.

It sucks. I wanted to see NCST in the final too. Agree or disagree, the protocol is the protocol. It didn't change, it just got enforced. Get over it.

That being said, go Vandy. At least then we can say we lost to the champs. Also, I actually really enjoy their team. 2 dominant starters and some exciting offensive guys.
Wish someone would move all the fax discussions to a new thread (maybe call it ”QAnon Members”) and return this one to baseball.

And on that topic, watching Vandy manhandle MSU just gets me more pissed that GT got stuck in the Nashville Regional. Anywhere else and they have a decent chance of at least moving on to a Super Regional, if not CWS.
 

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Wish someone would move all the fax discussions to a new thread (maybe call it ”QAnon Members”) and return this one to baseball.

And on that topic, watching Vandy manhandle MSU just gets me more pissed that GT got stuck in the Nashville Regional. Anywhere else and they have a decent chance of at least moving on to a Super Regional, if not CWS.
Feels weird to say it, but rooting for the ‘Dawgs tonight to take down Vandy.
 
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