A Different Perspective on the GT QB Situation

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Scout's Scott Kennedy has said GT's next QB will be a 4-year starter. He went on to comment that the QB position at GT has been bleak the past few years. Although many of GT's 2 & 3 star guys have panned out all over the field, QB is one position that has certainly struggled.

Certainly the coaches bear some responsibility for recruiting and coaching up QBs, so there is some valid criticism for lack of performance at this position. On the other hand, GT has the #1 ranked class at the QB position coming in. Ingram & Garner were also both top 25, and Bennett looks ready to compete for the position as well.

So, if you blast the coaches for how barren the position has looked, IF YOU ARE FAIR AND RATIONAL, you will also give them credit for how stocked the position will be going forward.

Consider this: Maryland has also a lot of trouble with the QB position the last few years. Hollenbach finally stepped it up this year, but was far from being a top college QB. Ralph Friedgen is generally regarded as an offensive genius & great QB coach, so to me this shows that sometimes the players ARE the limiting factor, it is not NECESSARILY the coaches. Even top the recruits don't pan out sometimes. Often players just don't pan out, no matter how good the coaching, and sometimes the guys behind them aren't ready yet either. It happens.

The important thing is, going forward the QB position looks very strong (Top 10 4 stars Nesbitt & Threet, Top 25 3-stars RS Fr Ingram & RS Soph Garner, 2-stars RS Junior Bennett). Far cry from what we've been working with the last 5 years.

One other aside. Consider that when Reggie was playing well earlier this year, Pat Nix was getting a ton of compliments. Then Reggie stunk it up against UNC, UGA, & Wake people calling for his head. Personally, I think Reggie just lost his confidence & couldn't execute, and 2-star Bennett & 3-star Garner weren't ready yet. If Reggie executed or one of the back ups was ready, Nix would have looked good instead of like a goat.

Nix is a first year OC and has been FAR from perfect. But I personally--and I know I am in the minority--think he has shown some promise. If one of these QBs steps up and executes the plays as called, I am willing to bet Nix wins GT fans back over pretty quickly.
 
One Question ....

I guess I am not as versed on recruit rankings as I should be. Maybe I should just stick with stars. But you call Ingram and Garner "Top 25 3 Stars" and the two incoming freshmen "Top 10 4 Stars". Is this saying that the year they were recruited these players were in the Top 10 recruits (or Top 25) at their position? I apparently don't follow it in enough detail to know.

Also, aren't QB's ranked in two different categories? I have seen references to Threet as a "drop back" QB and Nesbitt as a "mobile" QB. That would immediately stretch the list.
 
Re: One Question ....

cyclejacket said:
I guess I am not as versed on recruit rankings as I should be. Maybe I should just stick with stars. But you call Ingram and Garner "Top 25 3 Stars" and the two incoming freshmen "Top 10 4 Stars". Is this saying that the year they were recruited these players were in the Top 10 recruits (or Top 25) at their position? I apparently don't follow it in enough detail to know.

Also, aren't QB's ranked in two different categories? I have seen references to Threet as a "drop back" QB and Nesbitt as a "mobile" QB. That would immediately stretch the list.

The Top 10 and 25 parts are position rankings. I am not sure about the seperation thing though.
 
Let's compare Hollenbach to Ball.

Hollenbach has never had a season with a completion percentage under 60%. Ball has never had a completion percentage over 50%.

Hollenbach has never had a QB rating under 114 for any season and never under 130 in a full season. Ball has never had a QB rating over 109.

How about Kyle Wright (he's bad, right?):

Never less than 58.6% completion, Never less than 129.6 QB rating

So you see what one considers "struggling at the QB position" is really a matter of perspective.
 
We could also consider where they rank compared to their peers.

Here are Reggie's national rankings in pass efficiency:

2003: #93
2004: #89
2005: #95
2006: #87

Hollenbach was #43 last year, #45 this year.
 
northaugustabuzz said:
But we did win both Maryland and Miami, right?

Yep and we could have won them with just about any starting D-IA QB and some backups.
 
The idea is to get productivity from the QB position regardless of who is playing.If Ball is not productive then (recruit,teach) then play someone who may be .The coaches didn't and we are in this situation.
 
So, if you blast the coaches for how barren the position has looked, IF YOU ARE FAIR AND RATIONAL, you will also give them credit for how stocked the position will be going forward.

I am all for giving the coaches credit where it is due, but to me the FAIR AND RATIONAL position would be to give the coaches credit when these QB's produce on the field.

We had 2 highly recruited (4 Star) QB's on campus when Gailey arrived. He benched 1 4 Star returning starter in favor of a DB recruit. The other - a redshirt SF, he moved to wide receiver.
 
Did Bill Lewis not bring in some good talent his first year. I look at recruiting as potential. I never underestimate the value of being coached up at the college level. Just like academics, proper coach development is key in life or the NFL. I credit nothing to CCG's QB development. I do credit him for many position developments though i.e RB and OL.
 
JTS said:
Let's compare Hollenbach to Ball.

Hollenbach has never had a season with a completion percentage under 60%. Ball has never had a completion percentage over 50%.

Hollenbach has never had a QB rating under 114 for any season and never under 130 in a full season. Ball has never had a QB rating over 109.
How much of that would you attribute to style of offense? Hollenbach plays in a west-coast based offense with many throws of the short high percentage variety. Ball plays in a pro-style offense (more relient on the run game, play action, and drawing the safeties in) with fewer throws but lower-percentage plays.

I'm not saying Ball is a better QB - I'm just saying completion % is an overrated stat that doesn't even COME CLOSE to telling the whole story.
 
ContactBuzz said:
Ball plays in a pro-style offense (more relient on the run game, play action, and drawing the safeties in) with fewer throws but lower-percentage plays.

I'm not saying Ball is a better QB - I'm just saying completion % is an overrated stat that doesn't even COME CLOSE to telling the whole story.

I know what you are saying, but how many pros playing in a pro-style offense throw it at a 45% clip over a 4 year period?
Also, does this mean that RB's completion percent is near 60 for the 5 -10 yard routes, and it's the barrage of scud missles that take the overall ratio down?
I don't know, but don't think so.

I finally understand why Kordell Stewart was crying.
 
JTS said:
Let's compare Hollenbach to Ball.

Hollenbach has never had a season with a completion percentage under 60%. Ball has never had a completion percentage over 50%.

Hollenbach has never had a QB rating under 114 for any season and never under 130 in a full season. Ball has never had a QB rating over 109.

How about Kyle Wright (he's bad, right?):

Never less than 58.6% completion, Never less than 129.6 QB rating

So you see what one considers "struggling at the QB position" is really a matter of perspective.

When's the last time either one of these QB's went to the ACCcG?

I'm not defending RB and really don't like his style but no one else stepped up to the plate.

So what are we going to compare now?
 
refrigeratormover said:
So what are we going to compare now?

I think the consensus is that that we would be Orange Bowl bound, AND have the "dawg" collar off of us IF things were handled differently.
Do you see it differently?
 
pocket_watch said:
I think the consensus is that that we would be Orange Bowl bound, AND have the "dawg" collar off of us IF things were handled differently.
Do you see it differently?

Good point
 
A. Since when is the west coast offense not a pro-style offense. Just about every NFL team runs some variant of this offense.

B. What about our offense makes you think that it is pro-style? We run a spread option offense with QB Choice like many other colleges.

C. If we could have gotten Reggie's numbers to Hollenbach's by running a different style offense, why weren't we doing that?
 
RM,

Are you saying that if you replaced Reggie with an average D-IA starter that we would not have made the ACCCG?
 
I will never understand the mindset that Reggie Ball must be a better QB than Hollenbach because we beat Maryland. To me this is like giving credit to Brazil or Denmark for the Allies' victory in WWII.
 
I don't think you can blame the last two games on our scheme, thats what I think. If Reggie had been able to complete 45% of his passes (instead of 30%) over the past two games, we'da won both of them.
 
mm42 said:
We could also consider where they rank compared to their peers.

Here are Reggie's national rankings in pass efficiency:

2003: #93
2004: #89
2005: #95
2006: #87

Hollenbach was #43 last year, #45 this year.

Let's take it back one more year: 2002--GT was number 92 nationally in passing efficiency in Gailey's first year.

Now, is it Reggie or is there another issue?
 
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