A question that has been bugging me

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midatlantech

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Certainly we need to beat UGA, but taking that out for a moment, are you happier with ten seasons of 7-5 or five seasons of 9-3 and five seasons of 5-7? And please explain why.

For example, I was reading the Houston Nutt commentary and just laughed when I saw "he had two good seasons but then followed them up with two losing seasons" (implying this was not acceptable). I'm just wondering why it really matters.

Would fans have been happier if Chan ditched his first season of flunkgate and saved some players, thereby not going 7-5 every year but with the same record in the end.
 
This may be sidestepping the question but the problem I have with a 7-5 season is every time we lose 1-2 games we definately should have won. At the same time we may pull an upset or two like auburn, clemson, vt, etc. At least in the 9-3 years you'd expect fewer loses to teams we should beat. On the other hand going up and down year after year is probably just as frustrating because there's seemingly no rhyme or reason to the difference in outcomes.

Regardless good seasons usually result in more for a program like Tech's final four run in bball and its subsequent help in recruiting. 7-5 seasons year in and year out show no progress in a program.
 
GTatUSC said:
This may be sidestepping the question but the problem I have with a 7-5 season is every time we lose 1-2 games we definately should have won. At the same time we may pull an upset or two like auburn, clemson, vt, etc. At least in the 9-3 years you'd expect fewer loses to teams we should beat. On the other hand going up and down year after year is probably just as frustrating because there's seemingly no rhyme or reason to the difference in outcomes.

Regardless good seasons usually result in more for a program like Tech's final four run in bball and its subsequent help in recruiting. 7-5 seasons year in and year out show no progress in a program.
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I also think it is fair to say that the vast majority of teams lose games they should win each year...particularly from the point of view of their fan bases. Heck...this year I would bet almost all boards are hacked off except for South Florida and Boston College!

Furthermore, I would bet that the majority of teams not only lose at least one game each year they should win on paper from the point of view of their fan base...but they also did not pull any big win's over teams they should lose to on paper.

Basically, of the 119 +/- teams in D1A...the vast majority end up disappointed about something.
 
Yes Red I guess my question is in the end: "Understanding that only one team can win it all, is anybody happy in the end?" "For every 7-5 team there is a 5-7 team out there."

I think we let this year slip away with a couple of gaffes but generally I still think that Chan is building something. During flunkgate/probation and definitely not having a great quarterback we're in the top 30% of teams. I am frustrated certainly, but I think for a school like Tech, it could be a whole lot worse.

I am however trying to fully grasp everyone's opinions. As long as we are competitive, I don't mind the 7-5 seasons because I believe a big one is just around the corner (and it could be a whole lot worse). I can understand how a 9-3 season energizes the fan base, but I can also see 5-7 doing just the opposite (and missing out on a bowl does matter to players).
 
I would be OK w/ a few 7-5 seasons vs. 5-7 seasons, if the manner in which they were accomplished were different. I am not satisfied w/ the quality of play the past few years. Good RB's and good D, but no stand up and getrdone swagger that I have seen in other programs. Compare a 7-5/8-4 UGA team to ours. Who made it look better last year? That is why I am not satisfied.
 
midatlantech said:
Certainly we need to beat UGA, but taking that out for a moment, are you happier with ten seasons of 7-5 or five seasons of 9-3 and five seasons of 5-7? And please explain why.
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I don't enjoy losing seasons (I know --what fan does?) I would hate to see the GT program go through a stretch of two or three losing seasons) --it's been 10 years since the last sub-.500 one.

Since 1980 the program has won around 52% of it's games --percentage-wise below 7-5 (58%). I'm not satisfied with that. There have been some fine seasons since '80 --eight seasons of eight wins or more. There have also been some lousy seasons --six seasons of three wins or less.

This is a hard question mid-AT --I cannot answer it one way or another.

What I can say is that I can accept a few seasons of seven wins --six wins --even a sub-.500 one --as long as I feel that the program is improving and moving towards some consistency and winning eight --nine --ten every once in a while --can win an ACC title, reach a BCS bowl and contend for a national title once in a while.

I suppose the Why would be that I watched the Jackets win a national title in 1990 so as a fan I expect to have realistic expectations of achieving that again some day. I'm also a realist and realize what the numbers I just researched tell me --Tech has not been a program that consistently wins eight, nine or ten games a year --few programs do.

So win me seven --win me eight --give me title aspirations every once in a while --and I'll be happy. I'll still get upset with every loss --complain about botched plays, bonehead mistakes by players and coaches --but keep it real enough to understand that on some given Saturday's the opposition is just going to be better than the guys wearing white n gold.
 
Well, going to a Bowl game and keeping that consecutive bowl streak is so important to many of our fans. Its really a hollow accomplishment in my opinion because half of D-1 teams go to a bowl game and there are so many watered down bowls its become ridiculous.

In my opinion, I could careless about our bowl streak. Show me some improvement. We need to be having some consecutive 9-10 win seasons, followed by a period of some rebuilding in 6-7 win seasons. We can and should expect that.

There are so mnay people who are set on the opinion that we cannot expect that type of success due to academics. And that is the biggest load of garbage bullsh!t that half of our older fans believe because its been contracted in them like a disease.

We are a very unique program in THE Southern Capital in a big time sports market, with National Recognition. Do you think its easier to be successful at Nebraska than it is Georgia Tech? If you say it is, then you truly don't understand how to market a product successfully, because we should be kicking their ass regularly. We have all the ability in the world to be a world class program.
 
I'll take winning the prize over being a "solid" team every year. I would take our record over Maryland's record over Gailey's tenure. We have at least won our division. But I would rather have Wake's record than ours. They won the conference, even though their win total over the last 6 years is less than ours.

I wonder how many Bills players would trade their 4 AFC champion rings for a single Superbowl ring like the Giants had over that period?
 
I would take our record over Maryland's record over Gailey's tenure. We have at least won our division.
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Didn't Maryland share an ACC title once under Fridge?
 
beej67 said:
Didn't Maryland share an ACC title once under Fridge?
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No, Maryland won it outright Fridge's first year (FSU lost 2 that year). I think 6-2 is the best Fridge has done since Gailey has been our head coach.
 
It has to do with sane expectations. The more vocal fans tend to fall into the <2 win category and the >10 win category. Those who understand the game realize that its probably not going to work out that way for most teams.

Looking at this season I dont think it was unreasonable to expect 8 wins, and hope for 9-10 given the amount of juniors and seniors on the team. Those hopes have pretty much been dashed, and we're looking at less that what a reasonable fan would expect out of this year, thats why pretty much everyone is down on it.

As for me, Id rather be consistantly good and in that 8 win a year, finish in the top 25 range and be poised for running the table a couple of times every decade and win the conference 1-2 times in that period to. I think we can do that with the facilities and caliber of athlete we bring in. The problem is that it feels like this consistancy has been right around the corner for 6 years now and we can't seem to find the bastard.
 
BarrelORum said:
We are a very unique program in THE Southern Capital in a big time sports market, with National Recognition. Do you think its easier to be successful at Nebraska than it is Georgia Tech? If you say it is, then you truly don't understand how to market a product successfully, because we should be kicking their ass regularly. We have all the ability in the world to be a world class program.
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As I'm sure you understand, there is far more to a program's success than marketing...

One would be history, and Nebraska has at least as good of one as we do. They have 4 MNCs, including 2 in the 90s.

Another would be a captive market, and Nebraska kills us. One might argue Atlanta is a larger market, but with that larger market goes alternatives. There is NOTHING to do in Nebraska on a Saturday other than hunt, fish, or watch football. The same cannot be said for metropolitan Atlanta.

A third would be a loyal following, and again Nebraska beats us hands-down.

A fourth would be majors that appeal to a wider audience, again Nebraska beats us hands-down.

I'm not saying that we don't have the abliity to be a world-class program, but I am saying that Nebraska has a far easier task than we do, and "marketing" has little to do with it.

Respectfully submitted...Mike
 
But TampaJacket, EVERY COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER LAYS AWAKE AT NIGHT DREAMING OF GOING TO SCHOOL AT A SAUSAGE FEST AND LEARNING CALCULUS. Gah, didn't you get the memo? It's EASY to recruit at Tech, and Chan is pissing it away!
 
beej:

Every college has it's downfalls. In Nebraska's case, there isn't anything to do. And I can't imagine a whole lot of pretty women come out of there. While Tech isn't exactly known for it's southern belles, the city of Atlanta is.
 
beej:

Every college has it's downfalls.
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Therefore we should clearly ignore Techs in our attempt to rationalize how it's clearly easier to recruit here than Nebraska.
 
beej67 said:
Therefore we should clearly ignore Techs in our attempt to rationalize how it's clearly easier to recruit here than Nebraska.
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