ACC 2006 bowl situation much better per ACC office

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I spoke to someone high up in the ACC office...I will not mention his name...and he explained what they are doing for next year...claiming they are unhappy with this years happenings.

1) The Emerald Bowl will be a much improved bowl from a public perception standpoint and ticket sales standpoint as the ACC moves from a matchup against the MWC to the Pac-10 ...#4 in Pac-10 I believe he said.

2) The Music City Bowl will not have to worry about ACC ticket sales as much because the matchup for the ACC will now be against the SEC instead of the Big 10 where Music City has been forced to take Minnesota for 4 years straight.

3) The Champs Bowl is switching from matching us up against a Big East team to a match-up against the Big 10. The Big 10 travels well despite having to come a long way to the southeast for most all of their bowl games.

All of this puts less pressure on the bowl selection committee's to pick out of order. Additionally, the ACC office is working on language for next year that will prevent them picking over ranked teams...and also prevent them from taking teams that finished more than 1 game off the mark in the conference standings (such as a lousy 3-5 NCState team vs. a 5-3 GT or BC team).

...we will see what happens on the last part....but the match-ups will definitely help a lot of matters from public perception to overall ticket sales.
 
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I must have missed something here. I thought Swofford told us that the bowl committees choose who they want.

Was uncle John tellin' a story to us?

Sorry, couldn't resist. The matchups do look better.
 
Not this year...we did not have a contract with the Music City...the SEC and Big 10 did.

Next year the Music City and Emerald will be part of the overall ACC bowl alignment.
 
So swofford had no say in which teams the bowls picked this year but he will next year? More proof he is lying now.

And the bowl matchups will have ZERO to do with the acc screwing us again. You win the acc, come in second, or get spit on by swofford/finn.

People keep buying this BS from swofford.

Dear Lord, if we could only be in the SEC this time next year.
 
So, did the MCB get 4th pick in the B-10, or did they have to take 4th slot? Sounds like 4th slot, but in acc bowls (I understand that mcb wasn't this year) which we aren't a part of this year, aren't the bowls allowed to take who they want when it's their turn?
 
Right tex. Lets get in the SEC and next year play GA, SC, Florida, UT, Auburn, Alabama and LSU. Your point would be?

A. Not enough wins to be eligable so we do not have to worry about where we go.
B. If we have a miracle season Shreveport would be nice this time of year.
 
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curious about the double standard. Is the ACC the best football conference top to bottom or not? Seems like we say it is thanks the addition, but we still get arguements about getting our butts handed to us in the SEC. Which one is it?
 
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since I have nothing better to do

Assume GT was UGA.

UGA plays Auburn/UF, TN/USC, UK/Vandy, and two of LSU/Bama/MSU/Ark/Miss

Now we actually play Mia/VT, UVA/Clem, Duke/UNC, and two of FSU/BC/NCSt/Md/Wake

We have comparable schedules. I would expect similar results if we swapped positions, although IMHO GT would do slightly better. GT would be at worst a 6-7 win team in the SEC with UGA's conference schedule, assuming status quo with the OOC schedule.

No scenaro of GT to the SEC has them replacing a top tier team like UT or LSU. One popular scenario involves replacing Vandy. A 'worst case' scenario for GT from a schedule difficulty.

GT would play UGA/UF, UT/USC, UK/Miss, and two of LSU/AU/Bama/MSU/Ark.

The average GT team would be better than UK, Miss, MSU and Ark. Slightly above USC and slightly below Bama. Below UGA, AU, UF, UT, and LSU.
GT would 'expect' three losses, two wins and a tossup on the fixed schedule. And depending on the rotation, the normal range for GT's SEC record would be 5-3 through 2-6. Only in the very rare worst case 2-6 scenario would we not go bowling. A bowl game is guaranteed if you do the SEC patsy OOC dance. If UT hadn't scheduled Notre Dame, they would be bowling. USC generally goes bowling and they can't beat Clemson, which makes us better than them on paper.

USC does this because they do not play LSU,AU,and Bama in the same year. Often they play only one of those teams.

So in summary. The leagues are very similar today. Any scenario where an average or above average school (like GT) replaced a bottom tier school (like Vandy) would shift the balance of power suddenly.

It seems clear to me that the big deal is that the ACC is still rising and the SEC has maxed out. Auburn, UGA and LSU are unlikely to get any better. UF, UT, USC and Bama have some room to improve, but not much. Miss, MSU, Vandy and Ark have seen their glory days IMHO. UK could improve the most.

In the ACC, VT and BC may be at their peaks. GT, Clem, FSU, UVA, MD, and Mia can get better. NCSt is a middle tier team IMHO unlikely to make a big move but no way ending up like MSU/UK/Miss. Wake is overachieving and likely to end up with Duke as 'glory days' programs. UNC can improve the most.

I don't see any scenario where the SEC is able to keep pace with the new ACC. One day it won't even be close.
 
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Great discussion, but when you say UF, SC, Alabama, and UT have room for improvement, but not much, you are blind.

UF has been in disarray for years and just now is beginning to feel good again. Look out.

Bama is just now shaking off probation and is a deap threat and QB away. Look out.

SC. Give Spurrier time.

UT. Can always recruit since it has low standards. A QB away.

I am an ACC guy and real homer, but it does not make me blind. For sure I hope you are right, but I cannot see it.
 
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This SEC worship is hysterical. The SEC sucks this year. Ole Miss, Miss St, Arkansas, and Kentucky are all HORRIBLE, worse than any ACC team except Duke. Tennessee and Vandy, slightly better, still easily 4-7 teams if they played in the ACC this year.

Florida and SC, similar to NC State or Virginia in strength.

That leaves 4 notably strong teams, UGAg, Auburn, LSU, and Alabama. We went .500 against the two best teams on that list.

The SEC plays so few decent non-conference games that their mediocrity can easily escape the notice of those not paying close attention. Sadly, UGAg drew the ridiculously weak WVU for their bowl, but even at that they may get a game with WVU's strong running game, hitting at UGAg's weakest point.
 
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Florida and SC, similar to NC State or Virginia in strength.

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But, play NC State or UVA and there are about 60K in the stands. Play Florida or SC and they'll be 80k+ in the stands.

The SEC is damn successful - much more so than the ACC. I once heard a comment that football is responsible for 90-95% of all athletic revenue for a large D1 school with basketball making 5%-10%. All of the other programs lose money - without exception. The SEC puts their eggs in the proper basket - football. The ACC coddles the basketball schools.
 
I am certain that if NC State or UNC deserves the 5th slot and Charlotte next year and we are 8th best and deserve a return trip to the Emerald, our trusted and unbiased conference office in Greensboro will step up and do all they can to see that justice is done and bids are extended based on season performance. The next time they will exert no leadership and insist they have no influence in such matters will be the next time their inaction helps a TarPacker at the expense of GT, BC, or MD.

Just got home from my son's high school basketball game tonight where all the Wolfpack fans were goading me about going to our bowl game and inviting me to join them for a good time in Charlotte, not so far away. They KNOW they got away with something this year and they know they NEVER have to worry about the tables being turned on them. As one smart aleck chided tonight, "I guess Calvin dropping that ball was pretty big, considering we only won 3 games against teams from BCS conferences this year and ya'll one 7." These guys are enjoying BC and GT headed to bowls below them and they know how unfair it is.
 
So is the acc a tougher conference or not? How have we beaten AU 2 times in a row. If we could get an OC & ST coach we would have beaten ugag this year.

Being in the SEC would give us an almost instant 10 to 20 percent increase in season ticket sales. We have more natural rivalries there. We would get better coverage. We would be able to recruit, especially in the short term, much better.

And there would be no nc mafia and idiots like swofford.

So, again, is the acc a better football conference or not?
 
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So, did the MCB get 4th pick in the B-10, or did they have to take 4th slot? Sounds like 4th slot, but in acc bowls (I understand that mcb wasn't this year) which we aren't a part of this year, aren't the bowls allowed to take who they want when it's their turn?

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As I said in my post...this year that was the case. Next year...since all 8 bowls will be under the renewed ACC contract...instead of only 6 this year...there will be restrictions like rankings and the "one game swing" rule to help prevent this. Additionally, there will be less incentive to pick over because the matchups will be better....thus having less pressure on the ACC team.
 
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So, again, is the acc a better football conference or not?

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I think this year the ACC is at least as tough as the SEC...if not tougher.

Our overall schedule at GT is tougher than any SEC on a regular basis it seems...however Tennessee always plays a tough OOC schedule.

Our schedule next year will be as tough...if not tougher...than any SEC school with games against Notre Dame, Georgia, Miami, AT VaTech, and Virginia.
 
Folks, this SEC thing is a fantasy dream. Forget about it. My 3 wood is gonna grow into a Big Bertha before Tech gets back into the SEC. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crybaby.gif
 
Would SEC even consider taking on an additional team with no more stadium capacity than we have? Just wondering.
 
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This SEC worship is hysterical. The SEC sucks this year. Ole Miss, Miss St, Arkansas, and Kentucky are all HORRIBLE, worse than any ACC team except Duke. Tennessee and Vandy, slightly better, still easily 4-7 teams if they played in the ACC this year.



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Even if acc football was better on the field than the sec (its not by a long shot), that's not the point, at least not mine.

The real measuring stick of success is popularity. Poularity leads to profitable revenue. Popularity also sells a high school kid. Most of them want to play in front of 75k to a 100k versus 35,000 to 50k. They also want to be hometown heroes. That's easier to be when your whole town is behind a team that plays in the same league you do.

If the acc had the same outside interest as the sec, my tune would be different. Outside of playing uga yearly, and AU, Ala, and UT occasionally, I don't have a heartfelt allegiance to the rest of the sec.

Compare this simple popularity thought to our conference bowl picture. Out of a 12 team league, only 3 schools have a chance to participate in a good bowl, 4 if we could send 2 to BCS games. The rest of the games are for crap. Maybe 3 out of 12 is an excellent ratio for this conference, after all.

I agree with JJ and Tex from another thread. Any Tech football fan that doesn't see the sec as the best destination for us is either delusional or is taking the stance "if you don't want us, we don't want you".

I don't really understand why after 40 years the sec doesn't want us back. I find it hard to believe that Ala, and uga still carry that same 1960's chip around with them.

Maybe that league understands the force Tech would be in the absoulute heart of Dixie. I think they would be right.

FWIW, does it aggravate anyone else that the sec championship game is held less than 5 miles from BDS?
If they won't have us, let the city of Atlanta tell them to move it back to Legion Field. Better yet, we need to have someone politic us back into our rightful league.
 
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Worked for VT. However, Purdue is a big Bulldog supporter, so whatever they want, he wants.

I know I have posted this before many times so some of you may want to /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/puke.gif

BUT, having us in the SEC is in the best interests of both Tech and UGA in that if frees up an out of conference game for both schools that would likely be used to schedule home games against a lesser opponent. Basically, you guarantee your team an easy scrimmage type win. Citadel, Louisana Monroe etc... or you could still schedule ND, but you would have the ability to balance it nicely with an extra patsy.

I know we have Samford coming up next year, but UGA and ND are also OCC games. If UGA were and in conference game, we could guarantee us one extra win during the season, as UGA could do. I know that UGA fans will say they don't need it. After all they are on a roll. But, there will be years where they need that one more win (or maybe we will like this year) and will have it with that extra "easy" game.

Just my opinion. I have no idea why Arkansas was invited. We are the easiest team in the SE to travel to. Major airline hub. Major interstates from each direction. Why the SEC wanted to travel to Arkansas beats me. I've been there and as Lou Holtz said of his coaching days there "Arkansas isn't the end of the world, but you can see it from there."
 
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Worked for VT. However, Purdue is a big Bulldog supporter, so whatever they want, he wants.



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I agree with you re ol' Sonny boy.
I don't think that the Atl. mayor gives a damn about college football, but if someone could convincingly threaten to take away their Atlanta conference champ game, or at least make it a pain in the arse to play it here, just maybe we can get something going.
I know, there is probably too much money at stake for Atl to do that kind of threatening.

Regarding Perdue, I would like to know who gets more $$ by Tech being part of the University System of Ga. Is it the state, or is it Tech?
If its the state, what better time to threaten to pull out of the Univ. System and go private unless a certain thing happens?

Bash away, but I would like to see Tech fight for itself on something important. Its been agreed on that no none likes us, so we can't expect any favors.
 
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