ACC to Formalize Bowl Screwing

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This is just great:

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"What Mr.Cavalli was referring to is a proposed formula which the picks after the Champs Bowl are likely to be shared," Finn said via e-mail. "Each bowl will have a chance to list their preferences. If there are conflicts that can't be worked out between the bowls, then there is a financial order for the bowls which will give bowls preference for their picks."

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http://www.ajc.com/gatech/content/sports/gatech/1205/17techrail.html

So this will not change anything! If it had been in place this year we'd have ended up in the same position.
 
It appears, as regards what is right thing to do, NOTHING will change!

The 4th, 5th, 6th picks will be made by the tire, music and nut bowls. And the teams left for those will say which they prefer. SO IT APPEARS THERE IS NO MECHANISM FOR A TEAM WHICH FINISHES THIRD TO HAVE ANY GUARANTEE THEY WON'T GET SCREWED AGAIND. And the Emerald bowl director then went on to say that if the bowl/schools choices can not be worked out, then "swofford and finn will go into some smoked filled room" and things will be decided.

Total Crap. So swofford/finn, despite their protestations, will again be able to screw the non nc/va schools just like this year.

swofford and the acc are sucking worse now than before.
 
I could do a better job. Basically, you sit down with each bowl and say "If you want a deal with the ACC, you will take the team that is in the Xth position. That's the deal. Take it or leave it."

I still hate the ACC.
 
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I still hate the ACC.

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I hate it more now than ever.

For a conference that wants to blow its horn as being great and powerful on the national scene, this is about as provincial as it comes.

Here is what this means to this opinionated poster:
Swoffoed and his carolina boyz realize that unc, ncsu and uva will rarely play for the bcs game or the gator or chicken. That's ok though. This move yesterday will assure that Boise or san Francisco won't be in the mix for them unless they want it.

Since I believe Tech has fallen into the role of "Thank you sir, may I have another", and won't do a thing about this, I hope BC tells the conference to go screw themselves and haul ass. If someone else makes the first move, maybe then Tech will grow a pair.

Its now official: I will pull against uva, ncsu and unc regardless of who they play. I hope the All Carolina Conference reverts back to its roots as a small basketball circle jerk league. Moves like this should speed the process.
 
If Georgia Tech and Boston College are not deemed worthy of such a significant bowl as the Meineke in Charlotte, if those same two teams are deemed to have smaller fan bases than those of nationally known football powers NC State, UNC, and UVA - then John Swofford, do the honorable thing. KICK US OUT!
I see the Tech crowd that travels to Durham, Charlottesville, Chapel Hill, and Rawlee - it is MUCH larger than the crowds those schools bring to Atlanta.
I am glad the fan base back home is seeing just how provincial the Greensboro crowd is and always has been.
 
If GT continues to get screwed by the ACC, in football, we would have no other option but to begin to really lobby the SEC officials and members (hard) to find us a spot.

Finding us a spot is currently unlikey, but the continued screwing is not. As it becomes more obvious that the NCAA is adding a 12th game to college football the opportunities open up for adding additional teams. Also Arkansas is always going to be behind the 8 ball in the SEC. They would really be better off in the Big 12. Continued realigment will occur in the future. That is a guaranttee...
 
This whole thing may be a non issue soon anyway. I see improvements being made in our football team, the line really has bucked up here lately, the recruiting is picking up too. Who knows, we may just be the team that goes to the BCS bowl next year. If we could land another WR like CJ, that would take a lot of double teaming off of him and open up a whole new dimension. We have what appears to be another outstanding RB coming in, so this bunch may be going somewhere very soon. Wouldn't surprise me at all. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif Get in line for next year's BCS bowl tickets now. Get'um while they're hot!!!!
 
Now you guys are talking. I cannot wait for the day that we leave the ACC. I await the day when the Tech/UGAg game is an in conference SEC game so it really means something. It is in our best interests for this to happen and it ain't too bad of a deal for the mutts either. I also do not ever see myself pulling for NC State (as if I ever did) NC, Snobs, Wake, Duke, Maryland again. I am pretty much neutral to the rest.

I do like Clemson and will pull for the Tigers when they are not facing us.
 
I was there as a non major sport athlete when we joined the acc, and I will freely admit that it was pretty exciting to be joining the league.
If I remember correctly, everyone around Tech athletics was also very grateful that the acc was picking us up. Considering that most "not in the loop" were fearful of Tech shutting down its football program, the acc was viewed as a saviour by many loyal to Ga. Tech.

I can't remember if it was two years or three that we began football play in the league after the deal was cut, but we were playing my non rev sport in conference in 1980 or '81. Football came shortly after that.

Anyway, I am grateful for the acc accepting us back then, but it's not like Greensboro hasn't made off like bandits with Tech on board since then.

It's been a quarter century in the league and the conference still treats us like we owe them something.

I say both Tech and the acc have mutually benefitted from this convenient relationship, and it's now time to move on.

Based on our treatment received ever since Cremins, Price, Sally, Joseph, et al ruined dean smith's acc tourney tarhole party back in 1985, I would think J Swofford would hold a celebratory beach music shag contest if we would just leave.
He has our coat and hat in hand by the front door. It's time to shake hands and go.
 
I would crawl naked through broken glass for GT to be able to get back in the SEC (they should readmit us just to see that!!!).

Until then I will pull for BC, VT, CU, FSU, UM and the rest can go screw themselves.
 
I forgot BC. I will pull for them from now on.

I agree with the accessment of the ACC. This marriage has lasted long enough. We are in a dysfunctional relationship.

I still don't know how Arkansas made it into the SEC. We are in the center of the conference. An easy trip for all in the conference. Most of the conference just down the road.

When other boards were speculating on back about who they'd add to the SEC. The Alabama, Florida, Tennessee and Auburn boards were mostly in support of GT. Us reentering would put things back where they belong.
 
I really belive that all the SEC schools would vote to have us back in the conference. EXCEPT ONE. UGAg. They would fight tooth and nail to keep us out. They did it in 1964 and again with ole Vince the Prince in 1978 (when we tried to get back in).

Those scumbags in Athens would never support us without clear political pressure. They aren't like the UVA folks who went to the mat for VT to get them in the ACC. NO!

And the irony is that the recruiting base in Georgia, for all sports, is the strongest, behind only Florida, in the Southeast. This gives GT a decided advantage over many of the other SEC and ACC schools in the long run, and will guarantee that GT will have strong athletic programs for years to come (if we don't screw it up ourselves).

We would be in the top handful of athletics programs in either the ACC or the SEC and THE top academic school as well. A RARE combination and a prestige builder for any conference...
 
Uga has good reason to not want us back in. In that uga is the only sec option in the state of ga. for D1 prospects, the addition of Tech would certainly not help uga.

That said, it will take some type of political pressure where somebody or bodies have an incentive to get us in.
I think it will have to come down to some type of very real financial negative if we aren't allowed in versus a positive pie in the sky opportunity by allowing us in.

We basically need the sec more than they need us. Some arms need to be twisted.
 
UVA-VT

Quote "They aren't like the UVA folks who went to the mat for VT to get them in the ACC. NO!"

Easy there. The ONLY reason VT got into the ACC was the VA State Legislature basically told UVA that if you vote to include a slate of teams into the ACC that doesn't include VT, you can forget about state funding for your school.

UVA is WAY more snobby that the Carolina bunch and they view VT as the scum of the earth.

Believe me, they didn't help VT at all. It was the VT alumni with political contacts that drove that bus.
 
Re: UVA-VT

that is correct in fact UVA was ANTI-VT and kept them from getting ANY consideration prior to the legislature getting involved.

Florida legislature also requires UF and F$U to play every year.
 
I think Dodd made a mistake in the 70s when he put out feelers for our readmittance. He tried to do it thru the Bear, who was beating the heck out of everybody. He should have gone thru Dooley first, and then a broader coalition. He should have immediately agreed to play AT MSU & UM for a 2 or 3 to 1 ratio for a time being.

At the time ugag said if we got readmitted, they would leave. Of course, they would not have done that. It is strange that, considering how many times they have beat us the last 40 years, that ugag would not want that to count as a conference game.
 
Re: UVA-VT

If I remember correctly, UVA didn't try to block VT's entry into the ACC, UVA just wasn't very proactive until the governor got involved.

Now do you think a Georgia governor or Georgia legislature would support GT in getting back into the ACC? They all graduated from UGA law school. Their history is rife with corruptions and cutting the legs out from under GT. Why? Not to benefit the state. Oh, no. Purely to benefit one thing UGAg football.

If we were to ever make a serious run at getting back in the sEC we would have to consistently have 8-3 or 9-2 win seasons in football. Strengthen our men's basketball program results. Continue our non-revenue sport success (eg baseball, golf, women's tennis, track, swimming). Bring all of our facilities into top shape (eg AMC). In other words give the SEC no excuse to see GT athletics as anything but an upgrade to their conference (and avoid Clemins, FSU, Miama, VT having a shot). Then we would have to make a huge behind the scene campaign to force UGAy not to block us.

And I think it could happen. GT is fortunate enough to be in Georgia. In most sports Georgia ranks behind only Calif, Texas, Florida in recruiting bases. This gives us a decided advantage over most in the SEC and the ACC. Also GT's facilities are in top shape (except AMC). Something about a basketball arena will get done under the next AD. This will help basketball tremendously. Footbal seems poised to step it up a notch after a MNC in 1990 and nine, 7 (or more) win football seasons in a row. The non revenue sports are excelling very well.

If the ACC keeps screwing us we will have no choice. What a great loss to the ACC. The entire Atlanta market, GT's academics. One of the top handful of football programs, a solid basketball program, the best baseball program, etc...
 
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It is strange that, considering how many times they have beat us the last 40 years, that ugag would not want that to count as a conference game.


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I have always found that strange too that they would want to not have us as an in conference game, but accept having a permanent away game each year in Jacksonville. I'd never want Tech to have an arrangement like that. It'd be like us playing Miami permanently in Orlando or something.

Their hate for us, of course, runs deep.

I am just really soured on the ACC. I always felt kinda out of place there. Having UNC or NC State or even Miami in town does nothing for the gameday atmosphere. Having Auburn come in or Bama would mean so much more. Sorry if I sound like a broken record, but this is the largest problem I feel we face right now. I don't even say this as a threat to get Tech some sort of preferential treatment from the ACC. I just want us out.
 
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