ACC: Yards per carry & yards per pass attempt

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Yards per Carry:
GA TECH - 5.1
Va Tech - 4.9
Wake - 4.2
FSU - 3.9
BC - 3.8
NCSt - 3.7
Clem - 3.6
Duke - 3.4
UNC - 3.4
Mary - 3.2
Miami - 3.2
UVA - 2.3

Yards per Pass Attempt
Miami - 9.60
GA TECH - 9.45
Wake - 8.53
NCSt - 8.17
FSU - 7.70
UNC - 7.26
Va Tech - 7.23
Mary - 7.07
BC - 6.74
Duke - 6.44
Clem - 6.05
UVA - 5.81
 
thanks for the research. good to see tech in top 2 for both categories
 
Plus, we'd probably be #1 in both categories if our secondary wasn't trying to pillow fight with Miami's receivers.
 
So how are we not leading the ACC in total yards, when we're leading in yards per attempt for both runs and passes?
 
beej67 said:
So how are we not leading the ACC in total yards, when we're leading in yards per attempt for both runs and passes?
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We pass less than everyone else. Even if a team is getting only 8 yards per pass attempt, if they're slinging it around 40 times a game, and running it 20 times a game for 4 yards per carry, that's going to be more yards per game than a team that runs it 50 times for 5 yards per carry but only passes 10 times at 10 yards per attempt.
 
gtfan088 said:
We pass less than everyone else. Even if a team is getting only 8 yards per pass attempt, if they're slinging it around 40 times a game, and running it 20 times a game for 4 yards per carry, that's going to be more yards per game than a team that runs it 50 times for 5 yards per carry but only passes 10 times at 10 yards per attempt.
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I'd also look at plays per game.
 
Beej, I am seriously concerned for your engineering based on the last few things you have posted (tic). ;)

We have attempted 53 passes, and run the ball 207 times. Wake has thrown the ball 117 times. And pass attempts are ~ 2x the yardage rushing carries are. So if a team throws the ball more than it runs, then its total yardage will be greater than ours. For example, VT is 2x as good at running the ball as Maryland, and slightly better than them at throwing the ball, but since Maryland throws more frequently than VT, their yardage is the same.

Rushing Passing Total Yardage:
Wake: 651 998 1649
NCSt 570 1054 1624
FSU 520 1086 1606
Georgia Tech 1048 501 1549
Duke 417 1069 1486
Maryland 446 962 1408
VT 866 542 1408
Clemson 595 714 1309
BC 561 681 1242
UNC 461 769 1230
Miami 333 806 1139
UVA 266 569 835
 
Here is the total yardage per attempt btw. Which may be a better stat.

Yardage #plays YPplay
Miami: 1139 187 6.10
Wake: 1649 272 6.06
GT: 1549 260 5.96
FSU: 1606 273 5.89
NCSt: 1624 285 5.70
VT: 1408 251 5.6
Duke: 1486 288 5.16
Maryland: 1408 274 5.13
UNC: 1230 243 5.06
BC: 1242 249 5.00
Clemson: 1309 283 4.63
UVA 835 213 3.92
 
BuzzMD said:
Beej, I am seriously concerned for your engineering based on the last few things you have posted (tic). ;)

We have attempted 53 passes, and run the ball 207 times. Wake has thrown the ball 117 times. And pass attempts are ~ 2x the yardage rushing carries are. So if a team throws the ball more than it runs, then its total yardage will be greater than ours. For example, VT is 2x as good at running the ball as Maryland, and slightly better than them at throwing the ball, but since Maryland throws more frequently than VT, their yardage is the same.

Rushing Passing Total Yardage:
Wake: 651 998 1649
NCSt 570 1054 1624
FSU 520 1086 1606
Georgia Tech 1048 501 1549
Duke 417 1069 1486
Maryland 446 962 1408
VT 866 542 1408
Clemson 595 714 1309
BC 561 681 1242
UNC 461 769 1230
Miami 333 806 1139
UVA 266 569 835
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By that logic, we should just throw all the time, because throwing gets more yards and if you throw more you get more total yards.

The real difference here is the number of plays run. VT and MD have the same total yardage, but the MD has run 20 more plays. That's about 100 yards. The following poster showed yds/play total, which is a better indicator.

It seems that if you pass more often, the games might be longer (clock stops) so you run more plays in general.
 
Man, Virginia is really horrible. If they lose @ home to Indiana then they may not win a game --Duke beats them. Better not need help from UVA in their last game of the season.
 
yards per play is by far the most predictive stat for team success in this thread. Being 3rd in the ACC for that, especially after playing Clemson, Miami and UNC, is a good sign.
 
TechPhi97 said:
By that logic, we should just throw all the time, because throwing gets more yards and if you throw more you get more total yards.

The real difference here is the number of plays run. VT and MD have the same total yardage, but the MD has run 20 more plays. That's about 100 yards. The following poster showed yds/play total, which is a better indicator.

It seems that if you pass more often, the games might be longer (clock stops) so you run more plays in general.
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a) Throwing does get more yards. Look at YPA of passing vs YPC of rushing. It is 9 vs 5. Miami is another great example of this, if you do not like my VT-Maryland look. Miami is averaging 6.1 yards per play (best in ACC) -- because while they are at the bottom of rushing average, they are the tops of passing average.

b) I was the following poster as well. :)

Ramblin, I did not do yards per game as I was running out of time to do the calculations. I am using ESPN statistics, and just did not do the ypg calculation.
 
A really fun stat that takes way too much time to accumulate and nobody out there is really doing it on a large scale is median yards.

Of course, that also opens up a whole host of other problems and debate which is both good and bad.
 
mmbt0ne said:
A really fun stat that takes way too much time to accumulate and nobody out there is really doing it on a large scale is median yards.

Of course, that also opens up a whole host of other problems and debate which is both good and bad.
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All of this stuff should really be computerized and you should be able to do just about anything you want. All you need is a SQL database with all the stats in it and then you should be able to run wild. Maybe that's what things like the Elias Sports Bureau have though and they just don't want to share them.
 
gth816f said:
All of this stuff should really be computerized and you should be able to do just about anything you want. All you need is a SQL database with all the stats in it and then you should be able to run wild. Maybe that's what things like the Elias Sports Bureau have though and they just don't want to share them.
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I really want to see the database schema for baseball that Stats Inc uses. And you better believe you'll pay for the privilege to access their data services. If you had direct access to that thing I'd love to write crazy ass SQL statements like "select all left-handed players who had atleast two doubles and two stolen bases on Tuesday night games" cuz you know the data is there for that kind of thing.
 
TechPhi97 said:
By that logic, we should just throw all the time, because throwing gets more yards and if you throw more you get more total yards.

The real difference here is the number of plays run. VT and MD have the same total yardage, but the MD has run 20 more plays. That's about 100 yards. The following poster showed yds/play total, which is a better indicator.

It seems that if you pass more often, the games might be longer (clock stops) so you run more plays in general.
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No, his "logic" isn't defending a preference for passing over rushing. The "logic" is in describing why other teams have more yards even though our YPC and YPA are better.

The "variance" between passing attempts and rushing attempts is the reason no one "just passes all the time." The yardage variance on passes is large; so a few bad passes can kill a drive. Rushing generally has a lower variance for every team.

However, our high YPC is misleading relative to other teams because we DO have more big plays rushing. Our mean may be higher but I am guessing our variance per carry is also higher per carry than most teams.

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Some teams have chosen to just throw "all the time" because throwing gets more total yards. If you can do it efficiently, then it is pretty powerful. But if you are not efficient then you will run less total plays and it won't matter how high your YPA average might be.
 
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