Article on Byerly and Joe hardship waivers

To get a 6th year you need two seasons lost to injury. That's one of the risks of using a redshirt to develop a player (if he gets injured later, no medical hardship)
 
gtphd said:
To get a 6th year you need two seasons lost to injury. That's one of the risks of using a redshirt to develop a player (if he gets injured later, no medical hardship)
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Not according to that article. They listed two specific examples of players with situations just like Byerly/Joe that got approved.

OTOH, the kid from New Hampshire got rejected on seemingly similar circumstances.

I'd have to think Byerly gets it. He had already missed two years, although it was due to his own choices, and this injury caused him to miss a third year.
 
johncu said:
I'd have to think Byerly gets it. He had already missed two years, although it was due to his own choices, and this injury caused him to miss a third year.
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The problem is that the NCAA's in-going assumption is that they provide a redshirt year to cover injury or other problems beyond your control. If you use that year for a reason within your control (development, transfer), you then forfeit the right to a second red-shirt season.

I don't know the cases in question, but what I'm willing to bet happened is that the school argued the first red-shirt was forced on the player for a reason outside of his control (e.g. a previous coach forced him to sit without consulting him, he had a sick parent that impacted his ability to play, he transferred to be near a sick relative, etc.)
 
article said:
Regardless, there’s hope. The NCAA granted Florida tight end Jake McGee a sixth year in January. McGee had a standard redshirt freshman year at Virginia, played three seasons, enrolled at Florida prior to the 2014 season as a graduate transfer and then suffered a season-ending injury in the first game of the season. He missed one season for reasons beyond his control, and one within his control, as is the case with Joe and Byerly.

A Marist women’s basketball player recently was granted a sixth year with circumstances similar to Byerly’s. She played her first season at Vanderbilt and sat out the next year as a transfer. In her final three seasons, she played in two and one was recovered by a medical hardship waiver, meaning she, too, could only claim one lost season to circumstances beyond her control.

On the other hand, a men’s basketball player at New Hampshire (where, incidentally, Tech assistant basketball coach Tom Herrion’s brother Bill is coach) was denied a sixth year with a highly similar situation – two seasons at a first school, third year sat out as a transfer, missed another year with an injury suffered in the preseason, played his fifth and final season.
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There is definitely a precedent, although it seems to be inconsistently applied by the NCAA (what a surprise).
 
As long as our AD doesn't talk to our coach we are OK with the NCAA.
 
johncu said:
There is definitely a precedent, although it seems to be inconsistently applied by the NCAA (what a surprise).
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How does the article know what was argued with the NCAA behind closed doors? It seems like Ken assumes one red shirt was within the player's control in those cases, but for all we know, the player walked in and talked about their brother attempting suicide or something like that and the NCAA ruled it outside of their control.

In other words, it may appear inconsistent to those who do not have the full set of information.
 
I sure don't like having to rely on NCAA reasoning for much anything, truth be told ... :squint:
 
Might help if Byerly found a sick relative in the Atlanta area. Unethical but it's not exactly fair when you suffer a freak injury that ends your college football career.

If player safety is such a big deal to the NCAA, I think they ought to be as generous as possible granting waivers. Otherwise they're pressuring people with injuries to play lest they forfeit their eligibility. Byerly might be able to play with a busted knee, but how is that good for anyone?
 
If the NCAA really cared about the players, the rule would be changed to allow four years of participation within a six year period as long as at least one of the non-participation years is due to an injury or a family issue. No ambiguity.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
If the NCAA really cared about the players, the rule would be changed to allow four years of participation within a six year period as long as at least one of the non-participation years is due to an injury or a family issue. No ambiguity.
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Or say that you get 4 years to play, no time limitations when those 4 years happen.

What are we worried about? A guy who takes 5 years to get big and strong, learn the system, then take over college football? There's really two scenarios here: (1) guy is talented enough for the NFL or (2) guy isn't talented enough for the NFL. In scenario 1, guy won't let a team sit him for 5 years when he could have an NFL check. In scenario 2, the team won't sacrifice a scholarship slot for 5 years for a guy who wouldn't be a difference maker.
 
gtphd said:
Or say that you get 4 years to play, no time limitations when those 4 years happen.

What are we worried about? A guy who takes 5 years to get big and strong, learn the system, then take over college football? There's really two scenarios here: (1) guy is talented enough for the NFL or (2) guy isn't talented enough for the NFL. In scenario 1, guy won't let a team sit him for 5 years when he could have an NFL check. In scenario 2, the team won't sacrifice a scholarship slot for 5 years for a guy who wouldn't be a difference maker.
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Yup.
 
Oddly, it is a win-win maybe for us.If Byerly gets 6th ,we have a solid back-up.If not,we can use the playtime to develop someone else.
 
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