Bama on Three Years Probation

All the wins become losses by forfeit. It happened to them in '93 due to a DB named Antonio Langham.

I'm still surprised Bama got off without losing any scholarships.
 
GTROY said:
All the wins become losses by forfeit. It happened to them in '93 due to a DB named Antonio Langham.

I'm still surprised Bama got off without losing any scholarships.
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The whole idea of "vacating wins" as a punishment seems stupid to me. Do the teams that now have wins have victory celebration?

Take scholarships or do nothing IMO.

P.S.
It is Bama, but this sounds like another example of the NCAA losing perspective. Textbooks?

We need to clean house with the entire NCAA and reevaluate all the regulations. We need to ask what the objective of the regulation might be and how best to achieve it.
 
lonestarjacket said:
The whole idea of "vacating wins" as a punishment seems stupid to me. Do the teams that now have wins have victory celebration?

Take scholarships or do nothing IMO.

P.S.
It is Bama, but this sounds like another example of the NCAA losing perspective. Textbooks?

We need to clean house with the entire NCAA and reevaluate all the regulations. We need to ask what the objective of the regulation might be and how best to achieve it.
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I agree with you on all counts, bud. I was a Bama fan growing up, so I still kind of have my finger on the pulse of the fan base. The wide-ranging belief is that they got off easy. I fully expected at least 2-3 schollies lost per year. The vacating of losses came relatively out of the blue to most of the people I know, and most people aren't too upset about it.
 
Alabama should have gotten hit HARD for this. They were placed on probation for 3 years (1996-98) for the Langham/Jelks incident, for 5 years (2002-2006) for the Albert Means incident (after which it was "revealed" by the infractions committee that they were one step away from the death penalty), and now 3 years (2009-2011) for the textbook incident. This means they have been on probation for 9 of the last 14 years, and by 2011 will have been for 11 of the previous 16 years.

Where's the Death Penalty, NCAA?

SMU ought to immediately file suit against the NCAA and demand full restitution for the death of their program.

This is pitiful.
 
stinger78 said:
Alabama should have gotten hit HARD for this. They were placed on probation for 3 years (1996-98) for the Langham/Jelks incident, for 5 years (2002-2006) for the Albert Means incident (after which it was "revealed" by the infractions committee that they were one step away from the death penalty), and now 3 years (2009-2011) for the textbook incident. This means they have been on probation for 9 of the last 14 years, and by 2011 will have been for 11 of the previous 16 years.

Where's the Death Penalty, NCAA?

SMU ought to immediately file suit against the NCAA and demand full restitution for the death of their program.

This is pitiful.
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Yes :mad:
 
My question is this... if you're on NCAA probation, doesn't that mean you are not allowed to play in the post season?
 
I thought vacated wins aren't losses, they simply never happened. Although, are there any wins to vacate in Nick Saban's first season there?
 
GTROY said:
All the wins become losses by forfeit. It happened to them in '93 due to a DB named Antonio Langham.

I'm still surprised Bama got off without losing any scholarships.
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vacated wins are NOT losses. there is a difference. it is as if the game never happened. you dont go from 10-1 to 0-11, you go to 0-1

the other team cannot claim a win either

for example:

http://www.fanblogs.com/oklahoma/007053.php
With the loss of the 2005 games, Bob Stoops' career record will be amended from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-19.

The wins that will be vacated from 2005 include Tulsa, Kansas State, Kansas, Baylor, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, and Oregon.

(Note: Vacate does not mean forfeit. The teams that lost to OU still have a loss, but OU basically had an 0-4 season in 2005.)
 
BuzzCzar said:
vacated wins are NOT losses. there is a difference. it is as if the game never happened. you dont go from 10-1 to 0-11, you go to 0-1

the other team cannot claim a win either

for example:

http://www.fanblogs.com/oklahoma/007053.php
With the loss of the 2005 games, Bob Stoops' career record will be amended from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-19.

The wins that will be vacated from 2005 include Tulsa, Kansas State, Kansas, Baylor, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, and Oregon.

(Note: Vacate does not mean forfeit. The teams that lost to OU still have a loss, but OU basically had an 0-4 season in 2005.)
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Hmmm... I guess you guys are right. I'm just going by the UA media guide which has the '93 team as 0-12 and all the games as losses with asterisks.

Also, the probation in the mid/early 2000's was the only one that carried a bowl probation as well. I'm not surprised that the NCAA didn't drop the bowl ban; I'm surprised they didn't drop scholarship losses. Heck, WE lost schollies due to a clerical error.
 
Until they start banning teams from post season play, there will be more cheating.
 
At least take away some schollies. Vacated victories mean absolutely nothing except for message board flamewars and a black mark on your school's program, with an asterisk of course saying what your real record was.

And somehow, teams like UGA and FSU (not Bama historically) seem to glide to smooth landings after NCAA investigations while we are substantially hurt for scheduling Chemistry instead of Physics. Oh well, another fact of life I guess.
 
So if they aren't banned from TV or the postseason, and don't lose scholarships...what does being on probation actually do to them?

Sounds like nothing to me...
 
fattyjackson said:
So if they aren't banned from TV or the postseason, and don't lose scholarships...what does being on probation actually do to them?

Sounds like nothing to me...
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It just means they really can't screw up during that three year period.
 
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