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JOJATEC#1

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Looks like all those calls they got vs. TECH are going against them tonight.

Bad call on the TD
Getting called on their holding
 
Upper echelon teams find a way to win in spite of the officials.
 
Does anyone really think they deserve the #2 ranking? LSU beat the brakes off of VT and is IMO a much better team. Lucky for BC to play in the ACC. Regardless, they are undefeated and I'll be pulling for them.
 
In the end, there's a difference between 'deserving a ranking' and 'being a great team.'


BC deserves their ranking because they haven't lost. Even though Oregon (for example) may be a better team, they don't "deserve the ranking."
 
Here's how I see it:

Tournaments don't decide who the best team is either. There have been many times when a completely dominant team was upset by a Cinderella, even though the 'better' team would have won 9 times in 10. But nobody's got a problem with that, do they? Polls end up working out in a similar way. We just need to abandon the concept that a poll is supposed to rank how good a program is. Polls rank how well a program has performed.
 
IMO if it had not been raining BC would've doubled their score. not to mention that this was at Lane on Thursday night(VT's "magical" night).

I think they deserve every bit of #2, and I blame BOTH teams sloppy play in the first half on the rain.
 
I would bet that half the SEC could be BC. At least w/ a tournament it is decided on the field and mitigates the problem of good teams in bad conferences getting the nod over a great team in a great conference, especially those that have to play Conference Champ. games. The Big 10 and Pac 10 have a huge advantage in this regard.
 
I would bet that half the SEC could be BC.
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Likewise I would bet that BC "could" beat anyone in the SEC. Let go of the idea that polls are about what a team "could" do. They're about what a team did do.
 
The SEC is a much tougher conference to play in than the ACC. Put Kentucky, Florida or LSU in the Big 10, Pac 10, ACC and they would probably be undefeated. There just isn't the same level of competition, and as a result, teams in the stronger conferences suffer, while the Ohio St.'s of the world play maybe 2 tough games (if you can't Michigan and Penn St. as "powerhouses") all year w/ no conference Champ. game.

A tournament would fix all this.
 
MaconGTfan said:
The SEC is a much tougher conference to play in than the ACC. Put Kentucky, Florida or LSU in the Big 10, Pac 10, ACC and they would probably be undefeated.
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Gotta love message board hyperbole.

LSU - maybe, given a favorable schedule
Florida - I don't think so. Good team with too many holes on defense & too much dependance on one player.
Kentucky - no way. No defense to speak of. I like what they bring on offense but it can't be sustained over a full 12 game schedule - in any major conference.
 
ContactBuzz said:
LSU - maybe, given a favorable schedule
Florida - I don't think so. Good team with too many holes on defense & too much dependance on one player.
Kentucky - no way. No defense to speak of. I like what they bring on offense but it can't be sustained over a full 12 game schedule - in any major conference.
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And who in the Big 10 has impressed you so much? Ohio St.? Not quite...you can't even gauge them because they don't play anybody! Settle it on the field, not on the opinion of pompous sports writers and who they THINK is good.

U of F dominated the oh so hyped Ohio St. last year, but if it weren't for another over hyped USC losing to an unranked UCLA in the last game of the year, the Gators wouldn't have even had a chance to win the NC. Hell, Herbstreit was still campaigning for a Michigan-Oh St. rematch for the NC!

I love the quote of a Fla player after that game...he said there were at least 5 other SEC teams they played that were better than OH St. Oh St. had never seen such speed all year, FL had Defensive lineman running Troy down, it was awesome to watch.
 
beej67 said:
Polls rank how well a program has performed.
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I don't necessarily disagree with this, but what also needs to be viewed is who they've had those performances against.

It's why I like resume ranking in a poll system. It basically rewards a team for performing well against good competition and doesn't harsh on them too unfairly for losing to good teams.

I think BC is fine at #2 right now since they've played some tough competition and found ways to win (ugly or not.) My problem with just looking at record though was summed up in the EDSBS article by jokingly putting Hawaii at #2.
 
They played/beaten one legitimately ranked team (as we were not) and that was last night. LSU is ranked lower and has played 5 ranked teams (beating 4 of 5)! Playing a 6th tonight! And the team BC just barely beat got totally dominated by LSU.

I'm not dissing on BC because I hpoe they go all the way, I'm just really a big beleiver in a tournament like every other sport, its the only way to fairly determine a champion. To be the man you have to beat the man...Wooo!
 
MaconGTfan said:
The SEC is a much tougher conference to play in than the ACC. Put Kentucky, Florida or LSU in the Big 10, Pac 10, ACC and they would probably be undefeated. There just isn't the same level of competition, and as a result, teams in the stronger conferences suffer, while the Ohio St.'s of the world play maybe 2 tough games (if you can't Michigan and Penn St. as "powerhouses") all year w/ no conference Champ. game.

A tournament would fix all this.
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Macon, I agreed with you prior to reading this article. But now I wonder if I haven't bought the hype. Earlier, I thought LSU was clearly the best in the land, but some weaknesses have been exposed.

Is the SEC the top conference? I still believe so, but they're not as far ahead as I once thought.

http://accfootballreport.blogspot.com/2007/10/out-of-conference-report-week-8.html
 
MaconGTfan said:
And who in the Big 10 has impressed you so much? Ohio St.? Not quite...you can't even gauge them because they don't play anybody! Settle it on the field, not on the opinion of pompous sports writers and who they THINK is good.

U of F dominated the oh so hyped Ohio St. last year, but if it weren't for another over hyped USC losing to an unranked UCLA in the last game of the year, the Gators wouldn't have even had a chance to win the NC. Hell, Herbstreit was still campaigning for a Michigan-Oh St. rematch for the NC!

I love the quote of a Fla player after that game...he said there were at least 5 other SEC teams they played that were better than OH St. Oh St. had never seen such speed all year, FL had Defensive lineman running Troy down, it was awesome to watch.
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I don't know what to make of the Big TenEleven. Perhaps the 3 teams you mentioned could make it through but in your original post, you brought up the Big 10, the ACC, and the PAC 10. My only point is that LSU could possibly win any of the 3 conferences unscathed (assuming they don't have to the play the most difficult games on the road) - but I'm not sold on Kentucky or Florida (this year). Kentucky can't stop anyone so any game in which their offense has an off day, they are going to lose. Florida is a Tebow injury away from being the 3rd worst team in the conference & and they're obviously vulnerable with him.

I don't disagree on the playoff thing (but I don't have high confidence in the university presidents to change their stance and allow it to happen) and I honestly don't care about what the FL player said after the OSU game. What else would he say? I guess it's possible that 5 SEC teams performed better on those given days than OSU on THAT DAY but if they were truly better than OSU, why weren't they in the game instead of either FL or OSU?
 
ContactBuzz said:
Gotta love message board hyperbole.

LSU - maybe, given a favorable schedule
Florida - I don't think so. Good team with too many holes on defense & too much dependance on one player.
Kentucky - no way. No defense to speak of. I like what they bring on offense but it can't be sustained over a full 12 game schedule - in any major conference.
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Hmmm...
 
MaconGTfan said:
I would bet that half the SEC could be BC. At least w/ a tournament it is decided on the field and mitigates the problem of good teams in bad conferences getting the nod over a great team in a great conference, especially those that have to play Conference Champ. games. The Big 10 and Pac 10 have a huge advantage in this regard.
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But the better question is could half of the SEC beat Mississippi State? The SEC is very good but there's not much difference in the top 6 conferences other than size of stadiums and speed. And the ACC has as much speed on most teams.

The ACC needs better QB play and the really special playmakers like FSU and UM always used to have and we would be equal to the SEC.
As a fan, I love SEC football but Vandy and Miss State are not very good and they compete just fine in the SEC. Alabama has a a decent chance to win the SECW and they didn't do much vs FSU.

BC would compete just fine with all SEC teams except for maybe LSU but LSU has not progressed the last month.
 
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