Beeware's recruiting concerns....

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Beeware\'s recruiting concerns....

...are unfounded and much too premature at this
point. He's reaching for anything to complain
about since the team is winning and Gailey is
showing an obvious capacity for leading this team.

I went over to one of the recruiting sites I have
membership on. In just the first two pages of
recruits listed I found the following kids from
GA who had us on their lists:

#9 CB
#12 LB
#14 OL
#27 DE
#36 LB
#21 TE
#34 RB
#46 CB
#48 CB
#49 DT
#56 LB
#63 RB
#65 QB
#69 CB
#74 S
#76 WR
#79 S
#81 DT
#82 QB
#83 WR
#84 DE
#92 LB

The kids that made up the above list are all 3
stars or higher and are ranked in the top 100
nationally at their position.

Then I looked up the Top 25 prospects, at each position, regardless
of their hometown who have GT on their lists and
got the following returns:

#6 S (GA)
#8 CB (FL)
#9 DE (LA)
#9 CB (GA)
#10 RB (AL)
#10 CB (FL)
#12 LB (GA)
#13 QB (TX)
#13 S (PA)
#14 WR (FL)
#14 OL (GA)
#18 DT (LA)
#19 RB (CO)
#19 WR (FL)
#22 CB (OH)
#23 DT (TX)
#24 QB (PA)
#25 RB (FL)

Some of these kids have committed to GT or other
schools but we are (or were) on the list with all
of them. And this was before we started off the
season 4-1 and had gutcheck wins with lots of kids
getting playing time against BYU and UNC.

If we continue to win and make it to a bowl game
then you can expect GT to be added to the lists of
MANY more highschool players and you can expect
some of the elite GA kids that are listing UGA to
also take a look our direction.
 
Re: Beeware\'s recruiting concerns....

O'Leary himself said several times that recruiting in Ga was difficult because of the poor quality of the schools here.

We have an interational reputation for scholastic excellence and a nationally famous football program. There is no reason what we shouldn't exploit that, plus there are many reasons why athletes from far away would consider Tech but would never give UGas a second thought.
 
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Vote Republican and help Tech recruiting. A Republican governor in Georgia would get real education reform passed in this state. A stronger education would mean better SAT scores for all students and then we would have more athletes in GA to recruit. So do your part, vote Perdue and help GT at the same time. See, you can combine sports and politics.
 
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Amen to that! BOOT BARNES! Dadgum crook is what he is!
 
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Originally posted by Gtech:
Vote Republican and help Tech recruiting. A Republican governor in Georgia would get real education reform passed in this state. A stronger education would mean better SAT scores for all students and then we would have more athletes in GA to recruit. So do your part, vote Perdue and help GT at the same time. See, you can combine sports and politics.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Gtech,
I vote your post as the stupidest post I have ever read. We have just went through a terrible period in Georgia public education due to the 'peeiss' poor leadership of Schrenko as State School Superintendent. There has never been a worse School Superintendent in the entire world than Schrenko was. She has literally run public education in Georgia into the ground. It will take years to recover from her ineptitude and just plain underhandedness. Anyone that voted for her should hold their heads down in shame and apologize.

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on the Republican Schrenko
 
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On this subject, which should be Off-Topic, Beeware is 100% right. Republicans, with their penchant for "vouchers", are absolutely the LAST thing Georgia schools need.
 
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Vouchers are EXACTLY what we need. Public schools are not accountable for results because they have a legislated monopoly. If people could take their tax money and use it to apply to private school tuition, a lot of those cranky ole arsehole teaches would have to learn how to smile and compete for customers!! What a novel idea... I think they call it "free enterprise"...
 
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Belly Series...Let me remind you that the Democrats have been running this state since reconstruction and we rank 50th. How do you defend that..
 
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It's a long story, 83, and too complex for me, a non-historian. But most of our education problems are an historical result of 1) being an agricultural society, which does not value education the way commercial and industrial societies do, 2) being poor, as a result of a devastating war, 3) being racist.
 
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Bellyseries- you need to ditch #1 off your list. Iowa and a lot of actual agricultural states are near the tops in education. Washington DC has never been a hotbed of agriculture and they are scraping the bottom with us.

On #2 there is a strong correlation between household income and test scores.

I'm not touching #3

I will say that Walter Williams has some enlightening statistics regarding test scores in Harlem before and after segregation.
 
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#3 is the most obvious one.

I don't know dick about Iowa, but I'll stick by the agricultural reason for the Deep South.

I neglected to mention religion in Georgia, which has been overwhelmingly Evangelical Protestant, mostly Baptist and Methodist. The frontier experience, as well as theology, discouraged educated clergy, especially among Baptists. They made a virtue of necessity, and held up LACK of education as tantamount to morality. All one needed was to be able to read Scripture. Of course it was illegal to teach slaves to read even that much. In other parts of the South, e.g., sections of Va and NC, Presbyterians demanded educated clergy and encouraged education.

83, I don't disagree that the one-party sysem was no help at all. However vouchers will simply gut weak school systems. A few kids might benefit, but the long-term is destructive for everyone, IMO.
 
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What you are saying is some public schools are so rotten that if parents are given an option on sending their kids somewhere else then the public school would collapse. And you oppose vouchers because you want to protect these schools?

Public school teachers send their own children to private schools at a much greater rate than the general population. Black teachers nationally are 50% more likely than black parents in general to use private schools.

You say most of our educational problems are an historical result of being racist. I struggle to see why Washington DC with a black mayor, a black superintendant of schools, predominantly black teachers and principals has the second worst test scores in the country (thanks mississippi) despite being second in per student spending ($10,300) and first in student teacher ratio (13.7 students per teacher).

Iowa is second in test scores despite spending only 6,000 per student.

We could easily send ALL the kids in DC to private schools on full scholarships for $10,300 each.
 
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Cracker Jacket, thanks for the information, very informative.

Beesnut, I like your slogan, "Boot Barnes".

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Originally posted by GTCrew:
What you are saying is some public schools are so rotten that if parents are given an option on sending their kids somewhere else then the public school would collapse. And you oppose vouchers because you want to protect these schools?

Public school teachers send their own children to private schools at a much greater rate than the general population. Black teachers nationally are 50% more likely than black parents in general to use private schools.

You say most of our educational problems are an historical result of being racist. I struggle to see why Washington DC with a black mayor, a black superintendant of schools, predominantly black teachers and principals has the second worst test scores in the country (thanks mississippi) despite being second in per student spending ($10,300) and first in student teacher ratio (13.7 students per teacher).

Iowa is second in test scores despite spending only 6,000 per student.

We could easily send ALL the kids in DC to private schools on full scholarships for $10,300 each.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">It would be well for you to learn some facts about public education IN GEORGIA, because that's what we're talking about.

First of all, school systems are supported by MONEY. If money is taken out of a system to pay for vouchers then, yes, marginally poor school systems will collapse, particularly in counties where POVERTY is so rooted that property taxes cannot finance decent schools in the first place.Vouchers are a bad idea for school systems, even if they help a few kids in the short run.

If you think historic problems of racism can be solved by electing a person of color mayor, then I'm afraid this is not the proper forum for you to get an education. You need to start all over. And if you think DC schools are not a product of endemic cultural racism, particularly Southern racism, then you're sticking your head in the sand. And don't pull any "Virginia" crap; I was born in Lexington.

What's Iowa got to do with it?
 
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You say school systems are supported by MONEY. I have given some evidence that money is irrelevant: here is some more.

DC spends the second most and is second to last in performance as measured by test scores. New Jersey spends the most and is 29th. Minnesota is first and spends 27th. Iowa is second and spends 30th. If rural Iowa can be second spending $6,000 per student why is Georgia last despite spending a similar number.

If you still believe that MONEY is the answer, then lets look at a hypothetical example. If Twiggs County spends $6,000 per student and we decide to let some students take $4,000 instead to go to Catholic school wouldn't you have $2,000 left to spend on the other public school students? Shouldn't that make everyone happy?

It is possible in very small school systems some consolidation would occur as enrollment decreased. Some sparsely populated south Georgia counties combined high schools years ago without catastrophic results.

But I still don't understand how the racists could possibly be doing such a great job in making the students in DC so dumb (note sarcasm). The reason I bring up the Black Mayor is because DC is completely run by blacks all the way to the top. I can understand how one might think that at a white school with white teachers in Snellville blacks are being discriminated against, but in black schools with black teachers and almost unparalleled MONEY how can racists possibly be keeping the students from learning to read and write? Are the black teachers racist? Is the money racist? Are the mathematics lessons racist? Is the classroom racist? What part of the system has this deep racism and why doesn't it affect black students at P.S. 161 in Brooklyn (see below)?

I find it odd that the very black (and white) leaders that oppose vouchers are the ones who send their kids to private schools. Do you think Jesse Jackson's son went to Private School? Did Chelsea Clinton? Jesse's son went to the finest private school in DC.

Samuel Casey Carter published a study of 21 High-Performing Poverty Schools.

One of the public schools he studied was P.S. 161 in Brooklyn, N.Y. When principal Irwin Kurz first came to P.S. 161 in 1988, its test scores ranked in the bottom 25th percentile in Brooklyn's 17th District. Today, P.S. 161 ranks as the best in the district and 40th out of 674 elementary schools in New York City. P.S. 161 packs 35 students to a classroom and 98 percent of its students are from low-income families, but the teachers make neither class size, poverty nor anything else an excuse for poor performance. Its principal, Irwin Kurz, says, "It's a lot of garbage that poor kids can't succeed."

I do agree that we need more information about Georgia's public schools so I will try to dig up some more info on them.

In case you are interested, I think that the ultimate reason most students perform poorly is that their parents (more often than not parent - no 's') expect little from them. And that's what they get.
 
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Originally posted by GTCrew:

In case you are interested, I think that the ultimate reason most students perform poorly is that their parents (more often than not parent - no 's') expect little from them. And that's what they get.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Lot of truth in this statement. If you ask yourself why some parents don't expect much, and why others, (like yours, for instance), do, I think you'll be a lot closer to understanding what racism is and what it has done for generations.

By the way, I didn't say money was the answer, I said that too little of it is a problem in many Georgia schools.
 
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I thought this was the "football" board!!!!! Next thing ya'll be talking religion here too. Let's get back to GT and WF this saturday. I personally don't care if we recruit 25 kids from New Jersey if they're better than the Georgia kids and can qualify and do the classroom work.Let's get the best players no matter where they're from!
 
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