Being the Tech coach ain't that great.

Yukonwreck

Yukonwreck

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All of us need to axe ourselves why, since Bud Carson was fired and went on to coaching immortality elsewhere, why have four of the last six coaches to leave Tech have left by there own volition? Fulcher, Curry, Ross, and O'Leary basically said "I've enjoyed all of this I can stand." It is not a good gig.
 
So do you think our program, facilities, and leadership at AD has not gotten better than it was when those you listed were here?
 
It's not at the top of the coaching tree rather. Don't remember Fulcher's deal but Curry, Ross and O'Leary left for what they considered better jobs, not to get away from Tech. Big difference.
 
GT is what it is. GT has significant handicaps for any coach - recruiting restrictions, no majors to hide inferior students, lack of financial funds and the expectations someone said MIT, Mon-Fri, and ND on Sat.
 
Yukonwreck said:
All of us need to axe ourselves why, since Bud Carson was fired and went on to coaching immortality elsewhere, why have four of the last six coaches to leave Tech have left by there own volition? Fulcher, Curry, Ross, and O'Leary basically said "I've enjoyed all of this I can stand." It is not a good gig.
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IMO it's because if you succeed at Tech, people know you can succeed even more someplace else, and other places pay better. Tech is like the proving grounds for bigger football programs.

That said, unrealistic fan expectations are indeed part of what makes certain places to coach at very difficult. Sendek at NC State comes to mind.
 
I'd take a mill a year to do it. Quit feeling sorry for CCG and belittling GT.
 
I'd take 100k to do it. My ass would be fired in a year though.
 
I have to disagree totally, true Coach CURRY and Coach Oleary left for argueably 2 of the top 5 jobs in america at the time. As for Fulcher, he went into private business, he did not have the fire in the belly. If a coach comes in here and wins 7-10 games a year, beats ugag 50 percent of the time, plays for the acc championship about every 4th year and finishes in the top 25 eighty percent of the time, he is set for the rest of his life.
 
I think being HC here is a top 20-30 job...maybe top 25-35 job...somewhere in that range.

Its in a good conf, and upper middle of the pack in that conf with good facilities and location. It has its challenges...but it is in the top 35 safely. I think its somewhere between 25-35...
 
33jacket said:
I think being HC here is a top 20-30 job...maybe top 25-35 job...somewhere in that range.

Its in a good conf, and upper middle of the pack in that conf with good facilities and location. It has its challenges...but it is in the top 35 safely. I think its somewhere between 25-35...
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College Football News poll would suggest that it is not in the top FIFTY best coaching positions. It would be No. 1 for most of us, but reality is different. Curry and O'Leary left because they wanted a bigger stage, and more opportunity to win the MNC.
 
Yukonwreck said:
College Football News poll would suggest that it is not in the top FIFTY best coaching positions. It would be No. 1 for most of us, but reality is different. Curry and O'Leary left because they wanted a bigger stage, and more opportunity to win the MNC.
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Where is this poll you speak of?
 
The GT HC job is a great job. It has its own unique challenges compared to the HC job at other schools, but how many programs have been as successful as ours has over an extended period of time under different coaching regimes? Not many

If you take out mid-majors, GT has the 23rd best all-time winning percentage. If you look at team ranking by decade, we are in the top 25 for every decade except the 80's including the 90's and 00's. There are only a handful of programs that have won more bowl games than us. We are in one of the most talent rich football states in the country. We offer a unique college experience that no other school in the southeast can match. UGA, Auburn, Alabama, Clemson..... these are all basically the same school with different team colors and mascots. If your HC at GT, you don't have to live in some middle of nowhere college town. You can live in a real city.

The GT job is probably in the top 20% of all D-IA jobs and probably in the top third, but easily in the top half of all BCS conference jobs. GT is different than most schools, but it is hard to argue that it is more difficult to win here based on actual results over an extended period time under different coaches.
 
JTS said:
The GT HC job is a great job. It has its own unique challenges compared to the HC job at other schools, but how many programs have been as successful as ours has over an extended period of time under different coaching regimes? Not many

If you take out mid-majors, GT has the 23rd best all-time winning percentage. If you look at team ranking by decade, we are in the top 25 for every decade except the 80's including the 90's and 00's. There are only a handful of programs that have won more bowl games than us. We are in one of the most talent rich football states in the country. We offer a unique college experience that no other school in the southeast can match. UGA, Auburn, Alabama, Clemson..... these are all basically the same school with different team colors and mascots. If your HC at GT, you don't have to live in some middle of nowhere college town. You can live in a real city.

The GT job is probably in the top 20% of all D-IA jobs and probably in the top third, but easily in the top half of all BCS conference jobs. GT is different than most schools, but it is hard to argue that it is more difficult to win here based on actual results over an extended period time under different coaches.
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You can add (relatively) modest expectations to that list of positives for a GT coach.
 
Yukonwreck said:
College Football News poll would suggest that it is not in the top FIFTY best coaching positions. It would be No. 1 for most of us, but reality is different. Curry and O'Leary left because they wanted a bigger stage, and more opportunity to win the MNC.
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Well I would like to see that list and I bet I could argue us in the top 35. There are 66 BCS coaching jobs (including ND). If tech is not in the top 50, then we are in the bottom 15 of BCS jobs...

If I were a HC going head to head, Tech vs another school...then...

Tech is better than:
Vandy
Wake
NC ST
Duke
Kentucky (despite recent success..lets get real here)
Miss St
Ole Miss
Uconn
Pitt
Cincinnati
Indiana
Baylor
Iowa St
Kansas
Syracuse
Northwestern

Above are 15 we are easily better than IMO

I would also, my opinion say we are better than the following as a job:
Arizona
Wash St
Stanford
Illinois (yes doing well now, but tech is a better job)
Minnesota
Purdue
Rutgers
Texas Tech
Ok State
Maryland

So those 26 teams put us around 40.

The following teams, we may or may not be better than, but its an equal drawing IMO and it would depend on the HC's opinion as to who is better:

UNC
BC
UVA
Colorado
Missouri
Kansas St
Louisville
Mich St
Arizona St
Washington
Oregon St
South Carol
Arkansas

So if you think tech is better than this last list of 13...then yes we probably are a top 30 job. If you don't then no we aren't. I think we are in the middle of this last list of 13....probably not as good as some, but better than others. Putting us around that top 35 range.

Point is, we can debate this list...but to be a top 50 job you have to be able to compete for a MNC (thats my criteria) and therefore have to be a BCS team. And certainly, based on the BCS teams...And the lists above; I could easily rationalize tech as a top 35 job. These schools, while they have some success, like tech, are not clear cut better jobs. They all have obstacles to overcome just like Tech, and in most of these cases we have a more national brand and more TV and media covg.

Look I am not saying we are a top 10 job...for lords sake...all I am saying is it is reasonable to argue we are a top 35 job.
 
Maybe, but you are a Tech fan, like me.....prone to dream.
Bobby Johnson at Vanderbilt would not leave for Tech.
Gary Patterson would not leave TCU for Tech.
Hell, Mike Price wouldn't leave UTEP for Tech. The Texas Tech wouldn't trade.
I still maintain that the top 50 head coaches would stay put rather than head to Tech--therefore making our only realistic choice somebody's untried coordinator, a Division II coach , or some re-tread like Dan Reeves, or like Chan was.
 
Nooooooooooooo!
The expectations are not modest and shouldn't be. If the expectations are modest, then Gailey is coach for life. And I got news, he is gone. If not this year, then next for sure. Look for his "health and spend time with his family" to become a hot topic as the losses mount. My 6-6 prediction preseason will possibly be too optimistic. Conventional wisdom now that we have half of the six losses in the bag would be Miami, VT, and Georgia. But we need to watch UNC and Duke. Army is safely in the "W" column, but the other two are building momentum and self confidence, while we are going to become morose. These kids have nothing to play for now. Very few love or understand Georgia Tech, but they do know BCS, big bowls, TV exposure and the NFL draft. All of that is evaporating for them because of the lack of leadership on this staff.
 
Yukonwreck said:
All of us need to axe ourselves why, since Bud Carson was fired and went on to coaching immortality elsewhere, why have four of the last six coaches to leave Tech have left by there own volition? Fulcher, Curry, Ross, and O'Leary basically said "I've enjoyed all of this I can stand." It is not a good gig.
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I remember a hive thread right after Bud Carson died a year ago or so. Some former players said that he was basically a drill sergeant who could not deal with college schedules. Before the NCAA's maximum practice times, he had practice schedules of many hours per day during finals week. The team finally had somewhat of a mutiny during IIRC the Sun bowl.

He went on to coach well in the NFL with the Browns, but he definitely did not do well as a coach at GT.
 
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