Best coach in the south?

Wrong, NCJ, what you may consider irrational I may consider right on! What I consider mediocrity is supported by facts. Same results year after year. Now how could anyone say that is not mediocrity. What has CCG record been year after year? Average year after year. Never in the dumps but he never climbs the mountain either, result = mediocrity/average. Some posters who actually see themselves in that word may be offended but those of us who made something out of lives will see it differently.
 
Hey OF, I made something out of my life. If you are going to say something then say it to me like a man. Don't pull your Buzzoff crap here. Those who speak of mediocrity so much ( you OF ) must have experience a lot of it in your life.
 
Of course RM, I knew you would not answer a question But you sure did belittle now didn't you? What the hades are you talking about Dodd for, I never mentioned his name but you sure bring it up to try and support your unsupportable debate. So RM grow up, quit belittling people and then you might just earn some respect. Techman or no Techman your argument is not supportable! So why did you wait so long to tell CCG he had a problem?
 
I speak to Coach Gailey weekly and let him know my thoughts. I started doing this when he first arrived.

Your problem is I won't tell you what we talked about and it kills you because you are this high and mightly person who knows all about Tech through players.

He probably would address you if you had something to offer. And as far as respect goes I earned that from 83-94, if you don't like it that's your problem.

Again, show me who I belittled? You can't.
 
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You realize that most people would consider being told they support mediocrity a personal insult right? So my question is why you continue to insult other posters?

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Are you kidding me??? YOU are the first everytime to jump on someone and defend our football program's current path. Gailey has produced nothing BUT mediocrity since arrival from day one. From the number of wins, the bowl games, the recruits, offensive stats, to you name it, nothing has been stellar. Yep, a good win here and there is enough to keep the Medi-ogres happy, but I see nothing that tells me things will be different this year from other Chan years. Name one. Just ONE that tells me mediocrity will not be present AGAIN this year.

May as well go ahead and order tickets to some random, low tier bowl with only a few thousand people watching because you know we'll be there. Which is it? Boise Bowl, Fruit Bowl..maybe we'll upgrade this year to the East coast for a Tire Bowl!!! Just ONE reason...waiting.

Go Chan!
 
Jerry, I thought I would post for all to see how you really feel but don't have the guts to say it in a room.

not post this but I will tell you something yes I have done something that were mediocre, like when I had polio at age 10 I taught myself how to walk again, I worked my way thro school, I became a top 10% engineer in my company. When I retired my company tried to get me to change my mind, So yes I have been mediocre all my life. At least I never ended up selling flooring!

Jerry PS so tell me about mediocrity!


So Jerry, now you want to belittle me because I am in Sales. That's a good one.

Like I said before if you want to talk to me do it in here and BE A FREAKIN MAN FOR ONCE AND STOP HIDING WITH INBOX MAIL.

AGAIN WHERE DID I BELITTLE YOU OR ANYONE AND WHERE DID I SAY YOU WERE MEDIOCRE.

ARE YOU AN ATTENTION WHORE WHO FEELS THE NEED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW OF YOUR LIFE STORY? IF SO YOU ARE A SAD MAN.
 
This is getting nasty! I like it...but let's avoid the personal attacks. We're were all tech fans before Gailey and we will all be tech fans after gailey (hopefully soon!)
 
I didn't make it nasty. OF comes in here and spews shit about Chan when he even wasn't the topic. Now he runs and mouth about mediocrity and crap. No one in this room supports mediocrity but because we love our school one man OF comes in here on his horse and let's everyone know we are mediocre because we support the coach.
 
Why can't you love your school but disagree with the Coach!?

You can have it both ways! And darn it...everybody sees that Chan is mediocre!!!! Show me one positive article written about gailey in the past few years, and I'll show you 10 questioning his ability and methods, and 2 ranking him in the top 5 worst coaches. The only reason I mention that is because they are coming from unbiased sources...unlike you guys...you are in love w/ all things Tech whether it's poison or perfume...Step out of the box of being a Tech fan for one second and look at Gailey's performance!
 
You can love your school and disagree. That's not what i have a problem with. It's the continual bashing of Chan that pisses me and other fans off.

He has made some changes so why can't we sit back and see what happens. I do know that AD Rad will make a change if things aren't going well so we all know what the end result will be.

I do look at Gailey's performance but I also look at the other coaches and players performance as well. It's easy to shit on the HC's back but no one wants to say anything about players because of their precious feelings. How about holding everyone accountable .
 
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Same results year after year. Now how could anyone say that is not mediocrity. What has CCG record been year after year? mediocrity/average.

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It has actually been above average. Every year has been a winning season. Yes, we expect more but you obviously haven't realized yet that we've had obstacles to overcome that most premier institutions haven't had and if they did they have the DEPTH to have it roll off their shoulders.

PLEASE tell me how great our depth was over the last 5 years would you? Just give me your feelings about our 2nd and 3rd team guys are they GREAT/BAD/MEDIOCRE? Just really think about it!!! And I want your answer to that. The adjustments chan has hade to make (i.e Wrotto to D-Line) would not have to have been made at most schools.


gosh darn the more i talk to you the less i fell you know about our program
 
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Not to get off the main topic of this thread, but RM I have a question or two for you, now answer them truthfully. Why have you supported MEDIOCRITY for so long before speaking up? Why do you try to belittle everyone who points out CCG's short coming?

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OF, will you let it go for God's sake. Why are you so unbelieavably combative with people. John Davis has been very harsh at times with the coaching staff. To try to pigeon hole him into "accepting mediocrity" is completely and totally absurd. He's called out Oline players on this forum, he's called out coaches, he's also been fair in praising them when they deserve it and at times, they actually have.

RM is a lot like me in that he calls it just like he sees it. That said, he's a fair man as well, and he didn't agree with the bashing of CG for a while because like many of us, we felt that with any coach, you have to give them a fair and reasonable amount of time to implement their coaching. To boot, GT has its realities in academics, etc that set us apart from other schools, that require a little more than just recruiting and coaching on the field. For me, year 4 was the prove it year. For others its year 5, maybe year 6. For you it was year 3.

Whatever that fair amount of time is, we all have different opinions. It has nothing to do with "accepting maediocrity". Thats a flat out insult, and for someone like you to say that to someone like John Davis of all people who had an illustrious pro career and made it to a few super bowls and was an all pro to boot, its completely laughable.

You need to stop thinking you are the only one with high standards who excels in this world, because I guarantee you, there are people on this board who know what success is, and know how to achieve success much better than you or I do. Believe it.
 
Bull.

First, I didn't say you were irrational, I just used it as an example. So what we learn from that is you don't pay attention to what you read.

Now you're saying that anyone who disagrees with you on this hasn't made anything of their lives? So once again you turn to personal insults when people have different opinions. Par for the course.
 
Shows how much you pay attention. I've said many times that our results over the last 4 years are mediocre. Mediocre equals roughly average. No arguing with that. What I have tried to do is separate blind hatred of Gailey from what he does. Some things he does well imo. Some he doesn't.

Do I think he should have been fired before now? Probably not. I said last year was decision year. He evidently did enough to convince Braine that he couldn't make a change, or that he shouldn't make a change knowing that he was leaving as well. Rad will decide now what he thinks. I somehow don't think 7 win seasons are what he has in mind.

The problem I have with many of you guys is that it isn't alwaya a black and white issue. I give Chan credit when he does well and blame when he doesn't. Reggie and Tenuta as well. But since I'm not completely, 100% negative you think I love the man. Try actually reading what someone posts for a change instead of skimming and making your own judgements on what someone is trying to say.

BTW, if Chan had been fired last year it wouldn't have bothered me one bit. If he's fired after this season, ditto. Whoever is our coach will get at least my respect and rational discussion/judgement on the whole picture.
 
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1. You can love your school and disagree.
2. It's the continual bashing of Chan that pisses me and other fans off.
3. He has made some changes so why can't we sit back and see what happens.
4. I do know that AD Rad will make a change if things aren't going well so we all know what the end result will be.
5. How about holding everyone accountable .

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1. True
2. Not productive. period. not now esp. with new contract.
3. But it took too long /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crybaby.gif Well its done now!!!
4. The next couple of years are crucial and one side is truly going to eat crow. I will support a change after this next run.
5. Dave Braine? The compliance office? Bad Passes? Tony Hollings Knee? ALL CCG's FAULT. There is a huge difference between things at of your control and excuses.
 
NC Jacket...
Fact 1 : Chan's coaching is Mediocre at best, 7-wins every year is mediocre, offense is less than mediocre.

I agree, our results have been mediocre overall. What's been frustrating is knowing what this staff and team can do, but then watching the flameouts. BTW notice I said results. Neither of us knows anything at all about his coaching. What we know is the score of the game. They aren't always the same thing.

Fact 2: you support and defendChan Gailey

I support our coaches as long as they are our coaches. I've criticized Chan on specific things, I just don't jump up and down and scream like a spoiled child every time something doesn't go right. He doesn't do everything wrong, but he clearly doens't do everything right. I think he did have some things stacked against him from the start, including his unfamiliarity with the college game. The question all along has been if he should have been fired. While it wouldn't have hurt my feelings if he had been, I can see why he is still here as well.

1+2= you support mediocrity

I support Hewitt and Hall also. What does that add up to.

Pretty advanced math huh?

At thing Will Ferrell said it best...
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Yeah, that's the ticket. You and Will Ferrell. I can certainly see the resemblance.

How about not trying to make this such a simple little thing. It's a lot like life you know...kind of complicated sometimes. I prefer to support my team instead of tearing them down on interenet boards. You obviously look at it differently. That doesn't make either of us better than the other, we simply react to things we don't control differently.
 
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It's not a stretch to say Chan is bottom 5 in the BCS.

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I'm sorry, but there's NO justification for that. None. All of Gailey's teams hawe finished middle of the pack in the ACC and anywhere from 24th to 35th in rankings. But yet you say he's one of the 5 worst coaches in BCS?

He's closer to being one of the best than he is to being one of the worst, Duke, Utah etal notwithstanding.

I'm being rational and realistic. You and Groggy have let emotion cloud your judgement.
 
I've been away from the thread the whole day until right now and I haven't read through most of the second page, so sorry if I repeat anything here. I honestly didn't give the "reasons" or excuses because I became tired of typing for that post and just decided to wrap it up.

The vpi game last year just had everything going against us. Coming into the game, any rational observer would say the chances were long for Tech to keep it close. When your starting QB is still exhasted from sickness and hasn't been to practice in weeks, it's not exactly looking good for you. The way things were going at first, we probably would have still lost but the score would at least be somewhat respectable.

Then when the field goal was blocked, the s*** hit the fan and things started cascading from there. It was fitting when that punt hit off the VPI player, it didn't bounce our way for a turnover. That's just how things were that day and the two straight pick sixes an exhasted Reggie threw sealed a blowout.

The Emerald Bowl has many reasons and I felt the final score of 38-10 did not reflect the game and certainly not the team's involved. First of all, I guess the week before the game the grounds crew took the week off and the mud left by the rain did many things to hurt our game. Primarily, we were built on speed and Utah was built on size. Our defense's 4.4s became 4.8s on that field, but Utah's OLs still weighed 325 pounds, creating an unquestionable advantage for them. Also, I don't know if it's our cleats or what, but I know Chan didn't cause many of the players to slide around the field. I remember Eric Henderson falling down and getting up multiple times trying to rush the QB and one of the safties falling down a Utah TD reception. Not to mention that it seemed everytime PJ had a big run and our offense was finally breaking through, Reggie would slip and have to essentially take a sack, which would never happen with our ultra-sackphobic offense on a dry field.

Secondly, I will admit some players, mainly defensive ones, came out flat for the game, went through the motions and eventually quitted on the last touchdown run by Utah. Everything about the Emerald Bowl made it seem like this would happen. Fans booed it when it was announced and we went from playing LSU to a respectable Big 10 team to suddenly a mid-major team that barely got into a bowl. Most players could no longer play in front of their families and to top it all off, they had to leave for SF on Christmas day. We all hated being in the "Nut Bowl" and the players were no expception. For this, Chan does bear the blame, but realize that Tenuta's screamin and cussin also didn't get some of the defensive players to give it their all.

The second point also shows my main qualm about Chan, which my earlier post tried to show he has been fixing since his first two years. He first came in like a pro coach with pro players and the WTF games happened. However, even last year, he put rat traps in each of the players lockers before the UConn game, warning them of a "trap" game. I bet Chan didn't do that when he first came in to Tech.

Now, he's made even more strides with coaching changes, firing the "laziest man in the edge building" and hiring some real Tenuta-esque discipline coaches. Every report I've seen shows a new sense of urgency and discipline in the spring practices and the recruiting has also been looking up. For these reasons, and because Chan will likely be here for at least another two years anyway, we should support our coach and what he's doing.
 
Macon, I was referring to the 2002-2003 seasons, which I think people would agree we have improved from.
 
I think it's funny as hell that you OF had to go and run back to bzof. I knew you wouldn't be a man and stand up. The truth hurts you too much? Like I said you are an ATTENTION WHORE with your story.
 
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