Bilbo=lone bright spot

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Anybody of a sound mind who believes...that even AFTER factoring in whatever Bilbo's weaknesses and RB's strengths were 3 years ago during Fall practices, that Bilbo would not be HEADS ABOVE what we witnessed today after having 35 starts...needs to re-examine their meds.

CJ's stats after 24 games with Bilbo throwing the rock would be mind blowing.

As for lone bright spots, I'd have to add Phillip Wheeler to the list on D and PJ on O. THWG
 
My God,

DB, PJ, Eric, Chris, Brad. All our Seniors.

Thank you, guys. You put up with a lot, and you deserved more out of clough/braine and CG and his gang.
 
Hope these Seniors aren't the end of a string of outstanding players. I suspect not...we will see soon enuf. With both lines of scrimmage returning, we should be better? THWG
 
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Anybody of a sound mind who believes...that even AFTER factoring in whatever Bilbo's weaknesses and RB's strengths were 3 years ago during Fall practices, that Bilbo would not be HEADS ABOVE what we witnessed today after having 35 starts...needs to re-examine their meds.

CJ's stats after 24 games with Bilbo throwing the rock would be mind blowing.

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You can have my head examined. Until we get an OL coach who knows what he is doing, you can put Matt Leinart at QB and the result is not going to be much different.
 
It's not just an OL coach we need a bunch of hogs that can line up and say "here we come - try to stop us". Think back of how silly we looked trying to run out the clock with Reggie running around or how many three and outs we had when we needed run the ball for additional first downs.

This team needs a whole lot of somethings and Gailey isn't giving any of them to us.
 
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It's not just an OL coach we need a bunch of hogs that can line up and say "here we come - try to stop us".

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Yes we do.
That being said, didn't PJ Daniels have something like 80 rushing yards in the 1st half on Thursday? I know that is only one example, but there is another factor that really hurts the running game.

Think for a moment about RB's 47% completion rate, and how often we go 3 and out. I couldn't bear watching much more of the "game" after the 2 quick 3 and outs starting the third quarter Thursday. We got absolutely nothing out of Grant's big KO return because we couldn't even pick up one first down.
Because of lousy execution from the qb, Gailey has to run from a simple playbook. With his horrendous completion rate, we become even more predictable on our typical 3rd and seven drive saving attempts. We play offensive football like we are trying to push a garbage truck uphill.

With the simple plays we run, RB should complete another 6% of his throws.
Because of Calvin Johnson, someone is always going to be single covered or not covered. Just because of Calvin Johnson, he should be able to tack on another 6%.

If that was the case, Reggie Ball's completion % would be a respectable but not wonderful 59%. With a near 60% rate, our offense would have been an entirely different breed this year, both passing and running.

With the last second field goal in the first half, I optimistically thought that we were going to win the ball game.
Even after Grant's KO return was wasted, I thought the defense came out to play in the 3rd quarter with a quick 3 and out of their own.
I do believe the D quit when they realized the Tech offense was going nowhere. Hurts to think that.
 
I think that if we had just kept running the ball we would have stayed in the game anyway. Usually the pass just stopped our momentum in the first half. I would also have liked to have seen TC get some carries on each possession that was sustained to give PH a blow and also present a change of pace. I think TC hits the hole quicker than PJ. Who knows, maybe the defense would not have worn out in the second half if we had exercised ball control and kept the score close.
 
Maybe Reggie would have a better completion rate if we had a better pass blocking OL.

Maybe Reggie would have a better completion rate if our receivers didn't routinely give up on routes (which they do--did you see Utah's receivers come back to the ball?).

Maybe Reggie would have a better completion rate if we had a scheme made the defense defend the entire field-like over the middle, where Utah scored its first 3 TDs. We found the middle of the field against Auburn, then forgot it again, just like the last three years. The other teams' DBs have an easy job when they play GT.

People who lay all of the blame on Reggie are advertising their football ignorance.
 
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People who lay all of the blame on Reggie are advertising their football ignorance.

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If I am football ignorant over this, you must be a third year starting quarterback for Ga. Tech. If so, please tell more about why these things have or haven't happened on this team.
Happy New Year!
 
If I am football ignorant over this, you must be a third year starting quarterback for Ga. Tech. If so, please tell more about why these things have or haven't happened on this team.
Happy New Year!

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If by "these things" you are referring to the points of my post, they haven't happened because GT has a coach who has admitted that he is not a fan of the forward pass. If you don't like something, you usually don't do it/teach it very well. Like I have said in other posts, Matt Leinart would not be doing a lot better than Reggie if he were GT's QB.

Reggie will not be playing QB on Sundays, but he is not one of the worst starting QBs in Div 1-A, as his efficiency rating would suggest. He is, however, in one of the worst passing schemes in Div 1_A. That is not his fault.
 
I agree you can't blame it all on Reggie. But I firmly believe if we change head coaches, which we must do to get the train back on the track, then we'll see a new quarterback.
 
Do you know that Chan Gailey would be running the same pitiful passing game scheme with any possible quarterback?
You think he would, and I don't. It looks like we just disagree on this.
However, you write as if you are inside the program. I freely admit I am not.

Until shown otherwise, I just don't believe that Gailey believes a passing game should void the middle of the field.
I also don't think that under different circumstances we would see so many downs given up by throwing the ball away when the primary receiver is not open. Just one more, is Chan Gailey directing Reggie to always err on out of bounds when throwing near a sideline?

With my opinion based only on what I have personally seen, I think this years plan centered on no interceptions and no sacks. Short, safe throws, out of bounds throws, and long balls that would serve as punts don't sound like things any coach would do all year long, unless he thought he had to.

To your point earlier, I will go back and look for our receivers giving up on their routes. It sounds like you are convinced of this. If so, that opens another can of worms regarding this coaching staff.
By the way, I lost all the faith I had in most of the coaches last Thursday.
 
Must have missed CG telling you he doesn't like the passing game. Interesting comments seeing as how every team he has ever coached the offense for throws the ball at least 45% of the time...normally more in the 48-49% range. We run the passes we do because those are the ones Reggie has the best chance to be successful with. Blame CG for sticking with RB if you like, but suggesting he doesn't know how to run an offense is stupid.
 
I am not on the inside with this staff, but I was arguing strategy with Div 1-A offensive coaches before most people on this board had seen their first college game.

Good offensive coordinators know that you run plays to keeps defenses honest even if they don't work. If someone wants to argue that Reggie can't throw over the middle (and there is no evidence of that; he did it sucessfully against Auburn), you still try it from time to time so that the opposing secondary has to worry about it. The real answer is that NFL teams don't risk star wide outs to injury by throwing over the middle, and Chan has this NFL prejudice, even though Utah scored the first 3 TDs this way.

Gailey has never been a Div 1-A head coach before. His offensive philosophy is outdated on one hand, and won't work at a school like GT on the other. We will never have the superior talent to win consistently by overpowering other teams.

Gailey does a lot of things well. A lot of things. However, he does not understand passing offenses in college, which, as Steve Spurrier showed, is different from the pros (as did Ralph, for that matter). Maybe he learned something from Utah. I hope so, but I am not hopeful.
 
No, saying that Reggie Ball is the sole reason that GT's passing efficiency is near the bottom of all of Div 1-A is stupid; a clear sign of football ignorance.

Chan made the toungue in cheek comment a couple of years ago that he was "warming up to this passing thing." He has made other similar comments. Ask Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin what they think about Chan as a passing game coach.

I don't care how MUCH he throws the ball, if you believe that GT has an effective passing game, do you know what a football looks like? Oh yeah, it's all Reggie's fault....
 
CG

is the Offense problem.He picked and coached RB to run this offense.It is not working.LOTS of reasons but it all comes back to CG.
btw-Debo at QB wouldn't have Debo to throw to which could have slowed him though.
 
Where did I say Tech has an effective passing game? How about reading my post and responding instead of putting words in my mouth. What I said was 1) Gailey has run the passing game for Denver, Pittsburgh, Dallas and Miami in the pros. The NFL is a passing league for the most part. He does understand how to throw the ball. The Aikman issue was that he wanted a different kind of attack than Troy was comfortable with, but if you look at Troy's numbers those two years they were better than the year before Chan got there and the year after he left. Just because Aikman had something to say doesn't meanhe knows what he's talking about. If you're going to use Irvin as your expert I don't know what to say anyway.

2) We're running what they think Reggie can be successful with. Is every problem RB alone? No. But the design of the passing attack is based on what he's shown the ability to do.

The common thread here is that EVERYONE understands our offense doesn't score enough.

Oh, and yeah, I know what a football looks like smart ass.
 
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