Calvin 10th in Heisman Voting

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The vote total were as follows:
Troy Smith 2540*
Darren McFadden 878
Brady Quinn 782
Steve Slaton 214
Mike Hart 210
Colt Brennan 202
Ray Rice 79
Ian Johnson 73
Dwayne Jarrett 47
Calvin Johnson 43

I understand the voting is generally dominated by quarterbacks and running backs, but Dwayne Jarrett.....the stats aren't even comparable. Just shows what having a 3 touchdown game against Notre Dame on national TV will do for you.
 
The important thing is...............

"WE ALL KNOW WHO IS TOPS !!!!"

CALVIN
JOHNSON :bowdown:
 
McWreck said:
The important thing is...............

"WE ALL KNOW WHO IS TOPS !!!!"

CALVIN
JOHNSON :bowdown:
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Exactly. Jarrett is no where near CJ in terms of skill and stats.
 
I still don't get the whole QB/RB heisman complex. I know QBs and RBs touch the ball the most and all that, but the award is supposed to be for the nation's best football player period, offense or defense, QB or WR. I would have personally given serious consideration to Lamar Woodley of Michigan, but a DL never has and never will see the light of day in Heisman voting.

Also, Jarrett above Calvin is a big head-scratcher. Did he have an amazing performance against ND or something? Because he wasn't even considered one of the three best WRs in the nation by the Biletnikoff.
 
floridajacket said:
Also, Jarrett above Calvin is a big head-scratcher. Did he have an amazing performance against ND or something?
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One of their receivers did. For some reason, I didn't watch too much more football after 7pm that night.
Just like most other things in college ball, the late season games take on the most importance to most voters and fans in general.
 
Unfortunately, they don't give the Heisman based on raw talent or potential ability. CJ suffered from RB's inability to get him the ball.
I firmly believe if we had a really good pocket passer, heck, even just a good passer (i.e., Goose), the country would have seen just how good he really is, and he would have won hands down. Unless that is, he made the QB look really good, and they end up splitting votes or something like that...
Come on, CJ, one more year on the Flats to prove just how good you really are. You can pick your own qb.
 
They also rarely give the Heisman to a pure WR. Doubtbul CJ could have won it no matter what. Yes, a more accurate QB and bigger numbers might have made a difference. But a highlight reel QB off a national championship team is pretty hard to beat.
 
The difference between Jarrett and Calvin is statistically insignificant. It's a rounding error. Troy Smith has 2,500+ votes. Jarrett had 47 and Calvin had 43.
 
MatatoGT said:
Unfortunately, they don't give the Heisman based on raw talent or potential ability. CJ suffered from RB's inability to get him the ball.
I firmly believe if we had a really good pocket passer, heck, even just a good passer (i.e., Goose), the country would have seen just how good he really is, and he would have won hands down. Unless that is, he made the QB look really good, and they end up splitting votes or something like that...
Come on, CJ, one more year on the Flats to prove just how good you really are. You can pick your own qb.
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I think you are exactly right. I believe CJ was the best player in the country, but with such a terrible QB throughout his career, too few people around the country knew it. If he attended a school that had an Ainge, Greene, Shockley, or any of the great FSU QB's, he would have won the award easily. Think he knows that?
 
manjano mdudu said:
I think you are exactly right. I believe CJ was the best player in the country, but with such a terrible QB throughout his career, too few people around the country knew it. If he attended a school that had an Ainge, Greene, Shockley, or any of the great FSU QB's, he would have won the award easily. Think he knows that?
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There are a lot of great receivers who have attended schools with great QB's. They don't win the Heisman, they end up winning it for the QB.
 
No he wouldn't have. Receivers only win the Heisman if they also return kicks and/or play defense too. Do some research and figure out who the last pure receiver was who won the award.
 
Larry Fitzgerald was a pure receiver and he came extremely close to winning the Heisman, finishing 2nd by a very close margin. His Pitt team was 8-4 in the regular season and he was only a Sophomore.

That tells me that a senior like Calvin Johnson could easily make a run for the Heisman Trophy, with a competent QB and a top 10 team.

Maybe we'll even get a chance to find out!
 
Fitzgerald did come close, but the answer to my question is that 4 ends/WR have won the Heisman. The last two were Tim Brown in '87 and Desmond Howard in '91. Both were also considered among the best kick returners in the college game as well as receivers. Is it impossible for Calvin to have won the award? No. But it is highly unlikely given how the votes normally go.
 
ncjacket said:
Fitzgerald did come close, but the answer to my question is that 4 ends/WR have won the Heisman. The last two were Tim Brown in '87 and Desmond Howard in '91. Both were also considered among the best kick returners in the college game as well as receivers. Is it impossible for Calvin to have won the award? No. But it is highly unlikely given how the votes normally go.
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Definitely the odds are against wide receivers. I think there has been a slow sea change where receivers are getting more legitimate consideration, though. There have been some spectacular receivers recently who had other strikes against them, Fitzgerald because he was only a Soph and on a not-terribly-strong team, Randy Moss because he was a thug and on a lowly Marshall team, and Warrick, who was the Heisman front-runner until his off-the-field problems.

In the case of Tim Brown, there is no way he would have won without returning kicks (and playing at Notre Dame). With Desmond Howard, though, I really believe he might have won without the returns. His stats were insane, 22 TDs on the season and only 2 or 3 of those were on returns.
 
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