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GT1992

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Did anyone else notice that one of the Clemson players was listed as pre-business? In his redshirt Junior year??? When do they have to commit to do something that would require academic progress? Meanwhile, we have a redshirt Junior DE who is in the MBA program. Clempson should be embarrased.:rolleyes:
 
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Did anyone else notice that one of the Clemson players was listed as pre-business? In his redshirt Junior year??? When do they have to commit to do something that would require academic progress? Meanwhile, we have a redshirt Junior DE who is in the MBA program. Clempson should be embarrased.:rolleyes:
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How does that get past the NCAA? That is plain ridiculous. Sounds a lot like UGA's Developmental Studies pre- Jan Kemp.
 
UGAG has the same major for a number of their players. That major should be for pre-college, not at a major university.
 
Can't speak for Clemson but here is how that thing works at uGAg.

The first two years you are "pre-business" then after completion of your "core" you have to apply to the Terry Business school to be a regular undergrad business major. Its a racket in that its the way they make 1/2 the students that they admit fan out into the less attractive majors. My son has been thru this first hand so I know the drill. Its a scam thats probably catching on at a lot of schools to force students into the less popular majors.

If someone is in the third year as pre-business, it means that they have not been accepted to the business school because of grades so they are retaking classes or trying to get their GPA up to reapply.
 
Ramblin: In theory, I understand your explanation. However, I thought the NCAA had rules that required that the SA make progress toward a degree. How can you achieve that requirement if you are not ultimately formally enrolled in an actual major? On the surface it appears that it is just a ploy to keep them enrolled so they can participate in sports without satisfying the actual requirements for completing a degree. Am I missing something here?
 
I am sure that at some point they have to declare a major under NCAA rules. You would think that a University (sic) would also require that but I am not familiar with those rules and the school will continue to take your money indefinitely if you keep a 2.0 GPA.

I don't think the NCAA requires a student make progress to remain eligible, he just counts against the program on the overall grade.
 
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Also, due to the fact that this is the players REDSHIRT Junior year, this would be his 4th year in school not his 3rd.:wow:
 
Watching it again this morning, I saw the same thing. My reaction was :

WTF? :eek:
 
Buzz Bomb, the question is whether it's something specific for athletics. IIRC, Wake Forest has a similar situation in which you take certain classes for 2 years and then are formally accepted (or denied) into the business program. It's the same at many engineering schools...you don't formally matriculate to the engineering school unless you complete the prerequisites with a specified GPA. If you aren't accepted in that program, your credits can still count towards an alternate degree.

Now why he would still be in the program as a RS JR I don't know and that's the question someone should (and probably has) answered. But questioning the academic programs of another school is out of bounds imo.
 
shooting from the hip again on this one, but maybe the NCAA doesn't require the progress towards a degree for individual players to stay eligible, they are going to use the measure for team sanctions, such as stripping away scholarships, etc. I know that not long ago some of these PAD statistics came out and some schools were well below 100%, so that means that there are lots of students not meeting the NCAA progress against degree standard but it doesn't make then ineligible perhaps.

Some of you young whippersnappers research that and get back to us.
 
No, it's for individual players, but what we don't know is how every school manages their requirements towards a degree. What I mean is that someone can be on track towards a particular degree even if they aren't officially majoring in that if the school has a requirement that they reach a certain point before calling them a XXXXX major.

My son is in engineering at NC State. Until you get to a certain point you aren't an engineering major but you are following a curriculum established for engineering.
 
Something I noticed watching the game is how many players, even starters, they have from the Atlanta area.

I thought all the local boys who couldn't get into Tech went to UGA.

It goes to show how much we are hampered in recruiting due to our entrance requirements and choice of majors (academics).
 
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It goes to show how much we are hampered in recruiting due to our entrance requirements and choice of majors (academics).
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BS,correlation does not imply causation. Just because a kid is from around Atlanta doesn't mean that he wants to stay in Atlanta, or that he likes GT at all, or ever would.

What it only shows is that we have fertile recruiting ground close by that we can just hope to take advantage of. If you only had players that were close to your school then VT/Clemson/ND and every other school thats in the middle of nowhere would be terrible every year.
 
Thanks for the feedback NC. I appreciate it. So, if the SA does not make the grades - how long can they remain eligible to play football without being in a formal degree program? In practice, it seems they could never end up on an actual degree path based on lack of grades. For instance, they may never earn the grades to be formally admitted to a wide number of departments within Tech. At what point would Tech, or the NCAA, rules make them ineligible to play? I'm sure a lot of schools, like the SEC schools, have a cubby hole they can hide academic non-performers into and still give them athletic eligibility while working toward a degree. I just don't know of any departments at Tech where that could be done since we don't offer basket-weaving type degrees.
 
There has to be some course of study I think, but many schools don't require students to declare a major until their junior year for example. There are general requirements that all students must meet at most schools so I would think it's something along those lines.
 
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